Episode 124 – Smith vs. Teixeira and Overeem vs. Harris


Two more fights followed UFC 249 in Jacksonville, FL completing the trifecta of events in seven days.  On Wednesday, Anthony “Lionheart” Smith looked for normalcy after surviving a home invasion with a main event battle against Glover Teixeira, a hardened veteran at 205lbs. And on Saturday, Walt Harris returned to the octagon following the murder of his daughter to face Alistair Overeem in a heavyweight contendership battle.  Get this supersized episode with lively debate, smart discussion and a bit of humor sprinkled on top.

Transcript

Ryan Smith 0:08
Welcome to combat sports talk a podcast dedicated to UFC and bellator discussion, the MMA community and combat sports in general. I’m your host Ryan Smith and joining me this week is the entire combat sports talk crew. We got john keys. Yes, you do. Hey everybody. How’s it going tonight? All right, we’ve got cholesky own Yay. Buchi

Unknown Speaker 0:32
welcome. Oh,

Ryan Smith 0:43
we got George Stallworth.

So baby boy. All right. Well, we are excited. I’m I can’t speak for you guys. But I am excited to be here. We had an amazing week of fight starting back last Saturday with UFC 249 Then we had the UFC Fight Night in Jacksonville, Anthony Smith versus Glover to share on Wednesday. And then we finished up with Alistair overeem versus wall Harris. Last Saturday. It was it was it was amazing. And so, one things I want to do is I want to get right into the headliner because we’re going to talk about the impact of set three fights. In seven days. Here we go with the headliner

headliner. This is where we talk about the things that number one story in the MMA world today and it is Dana White. Uncle Dana pulled it off. He got three fights, not one, not two, not three. He was the only act in town. There were no other sporting events taking place except the action that was going on in Jacksonville, Florida. And so I got to say it. He said he could do it. The man did it.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:00
I hate the notion of calling him Uncle Dana.

Right? It feels creepy. It’s almost a creepy it’s what’s the other guy’s name? Uncle creepy? Yeah, yeah. Anything just feels uncomfortable.

George Stallworth 2:13
But see when I

hear it It reminds me of uncle fester from The Addams Family. But

John Keyes 2:20
But you know, I got that crazy uncle like, like Dana White that that talks crazy. You know, he’ll say something outlandish thing. And somehow, someway he pulls it off. Yeah. Huh.

Ryan Smith 2:33
Well, that’s the thing you know, with the specter of Coronavirus all over the country, Florida open, they’re open their economy for the UFC, Dana White promised that he would be able to get it done in three fights. In seven days. He had one confirmed COVID-19 positive fighter which was jakhary Sousa. And so we start the two week watch To see if the if the safety protocols that the UFC implemented and all of the disinfecting that they did between each fight, paid off in three fights, three cards with no new Corona virus infections. That’s it, we got two weeks to watch.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 3:20
I don’t know if that becomes the barometer of success for this thing. So if you’ll see they’ve already done a job, I wouldn’t say a good job, but a job of kind of sweeping under the rug the fact that they did have a case and then whenever it comes up saying that the fighters are saying that the testing from Wednesday to the next Saturday was vastly different and they’ve made implementations to better improve their quality of it. So like in the past, if there was a fighter that was hurt before main car, we would have heard about it and like we would have been following the progress and how they’re doing the recovery. then in this case, you’ve got a fighter who’s sick like something that can be life threatening, depending On your viewpoint, but can be life threatening. And the next day when Ariel helwani was asked about it, they’re like, we don’t know where he is. He’s probably back home Florida’s. He trains not too far from here. So he probably drove home like, people just forgot about him and focused on the sport a little weird. But I mean, I get that they want to minimize the impact of it. Because really where they should be judged is what he did. What Dana did really well, he normalized an empty Stadium in a sport that has been all about fan reactions. And I think he succeeded in that.

Ryan Smith 4:32
Yeah, I mean, I I’m surprised because we were all wondering what was it gonna be like, and we were kind of weirded out the first time we saw a, a fight with no audience. But once we got into these three days of our three cards over seven days, yeah, in a way, I kind of liked it. I like being able to hear the action and hearing them talking to each other back and understanding what they’re saying going back and forth to each other. That’s what Crazy. So yeah, you know for George. JOHN, did you guys have any comments on the fact that, you know, as far as we know, there have been no incidents and we’re now in that in that countdown 14 days.

John Keyes 5:15
Um, I’m gonna hold my, my response until the end of the 14 days. I’m willing, I want to see the full reaction. I’m not going to be the one to say all right, Dana did it UFC got it back. They’re back now I’m not gonna do that. I’m happy that they did pull it off. Like Casey said, I’m happy that they actually normalized one on one combat without with that a giant crowd there. It’s actually I prefer it as I’ve kind of curious on how it’s going to be when the crowd comes back. All right, if anything,

and I’m going to see what’s I’m going to try and do all my research I can on what happened is aka Ray, you know if there’s any information If there’s any news, because I am curious to see how he’s doing. All right, George,

George Stallworth 6:06
this was a big win. For the UFC. This was a big win. For me, this was a big win for ESPN. This This was a win for anyone who’s interested in combat sports in general man, to be able to say you pulled off an event and the one person that tested positive, more than likely came here positive, had a story that lined up with why he was positive, and was not something that affected the rest of the car, the rest of the fighters, even though right now you’re right, we’re not within that 14 day window to know for sure. But all when it’s all said and done right now, what people will remember is that this event went off unenhanced uninterrupted and without any major issues whatsoever. If you want to speak to the issues I’m sure we’re going to go in at later on. Some of the issues were more like referee stoppages. Judges scoring, but that’s a whole different topic but all in all the UFC put off basically a masterpiece of a weekend, not even a weekend a masterpiece of a three, fight show.

Ryan Smith 7:15
Yep. And so now it comes to there are more fights that they have planned that they want to set up June 6 looks like it’s the next time they’re going to have a big event. And so the UFC said if Las Vegas doesn’t reopen, which it doesn’t look like they’re planning on reopening yet. They’re going to move the shows to Arizona because Arizona is now reopening and they are looking to to court the UFC in a way that is that that’s going to bring them to the to the to that state fighter pay continues to be a contentious point in the MMA world and so when we’re looking at UFC 249 it’s sold 700,000 pay per views at $65 a piece I know that I believe all four of us bought that’s $45 million But payouts to fighters went up were only about 3.5 million. So it was 12% of the generated revenue. So So, you know, we were talking about this on the intelligent defense discussion group on Facebook. Like, what does that mean? Did about fighters pay? I mean, that’s a lot of money coming into the UFC coffers. Casey, I see you doing the doggy here.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 8:23
My collective bargaining conversation once again, pops its head into this. There absolutely

needs to be some sort of

there has to be a reckoning with the UFC. Because fighters are getting better play in other organizations, sir, you don’t get as much name. But even across those other organizations, there’s no there’s no real standard for what percentage of the purse each fighter gets. And the thing that kills me about the fighter pay conversation is well they’ll say well, we’ll This person’s able to sell fights better, but they don’t factor in the fact that the UFC pick certain fighters to put marketing dollars behind. So the rich get richer. Well, the guys were busting their butts winning fights, still are making less than schoolteachers. And that’s not a knock on school teachers. I feel like they’re underpaid. Let me just throw that out there. But

Ryan Smith 9:21
teachers What?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 9:24
Sometimes school teachers have to become MMA fighters, and then they get movies made about them. Yes, they did.

John Keyes 9:30
Rich Franklin rich Franklin comes to mind. Yes.

Ryan Smith 9:32
So so.

George Stallworth 9:34
Well, I want to add another caveat. I want to play the devil’s advocate on it. All right. So very often, these fighters come into these fights and there is a contract that is lined up well in advance so very often, like this weekend, not this weekend, but this past 10 days of fights. A lot of those fighters pay were determined based upon their contract that was agreed upon well in advance of This actual fight then being offered the fight, and things like that, right. And so this goes back to having good management and someone putting things in your contract. So let’s say, we know right now, it doesn’t look like MMA fighters are going to get a union if anyone should be unionized, and it should be the management and managers of MMA fighters who are in a better position to fight on behalf of their fighters, we we’ve seen the way that this talk of unionizing the fighters themselves has gone, it hasn’t gone well. So I think in the absence of that now, we should be looking at management in order to fix this spider pay issue.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 10:42
I like it. That’s that’s a that’s a path I hadn’t considered before and it’s got a lot of potential. I wonder if it would stifle the ability for new fighters to even get in with a manager who has an end to the UFC because that’s already a weird gate keeping system that they have to even get in as Were like just getting into the UFC, there’s a little bit of who knows who going on and not really just about talent and being at the right place. It’s having the right type of management. And if there’s another gate there where I have to work with a unionized manager who may not be by union rules allowed to talk to a fighter at Oklahoma City. Even though I have a relationship with Him, then I may never make it to the make it to the show. But I like that twist because it does change the conversation. Well, it shifts the dynamic of power. And that’s what really needs to happen right now in the UFC. Because you’re right these fighter contracts are or months in advance designed, but that means that months ago, it was still the wrong pay structure because the UFC should have like a, a minimum amount that’s reasonable for a young fighter to come in. If they only get two fights a year, I should still be able to make a livable wage with two fights a year because a lot of these guys aren’t getting a lot so that there’s a lot of risk. structuring what needs to happen in can happen. There’s so much wiggle room. It’s the UFC is not really bleeding money.

Ryan Smith 12:07
Well, I think it comes down to whether or not the UFC sees it as something that it is, it is the right thing to do, like we all see it as the right thing to do is to pay their fighters more pay the fighters more. But at the end of the day, they are the biggest brand. They are the draw. That’s the place where you can go if you want to make more money, you can always go to one FC, you can always go to bellator. But if you want to fight the best in the world, if you want to have the biggest stage, then you know, the US you are going to fight for the UFC and you’re going to take whatever it is because there’s so many fighters in the MMA world that it’s it’s it’s a supply and demand type of thing. And so if you are an up and coming fighter, and you don’t have any notoriety, and you’re just you’re just fighting on the regional circuit, then why should they pay more For you, when you don’t have a following, when there is someone who has a tremendous following bringing millions of people into the the the pay per views and the arenas or all around the world, those fighters are more valuable. It’s the same thing in NFL and they do have a union there is a minimum, but at the same time, some players are paid more, some players are played less, and so will flow he’s watching here on Facebook, and he’s saying there the UFC is making millions making billions off of our dreams. And it’s true. It is true that they are but there has to be a point in time where the UFC has to say we’re doing the wrong thing. Otherwise there is no incentive because they are they have the power structure. They operate the power structure.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:53
It hurts your farm system. So I look at it as everyone here knows I’m a nerd so I can only speak it from my stamp. point. So I look at there was a time where there was this notion of apprenticeships in networking and, and those type of security hands on it jobs. So there are these apprentice ships where you work alongside with someone learn it, and then you move into like, high mid tier management type role. Then they came along with Well, we’ve got all this college talent that we need to put to work. So we’ll do internships, they did a lot of unpaid internships. And then you had these notions of paid internships, which I did, I got paid a ton as an intern. And what we started to see is that the companies that were paying their intern, we’re paying a great wage for the interns, we’re able to retain that talent longer, and keep all of that knowledge and investment in it. Whereas if you just get people out here working for the experience of, Hey, I’m working for a fortune 100 company, that’s cool on my resume, you get burnout and you lose every bit of value that you had in the intern because they’re going to take that to another company with the US

Ryan Smith 15:00
This is not happening at the UFC. Well,

George Stallworth 15:04
Ryan. So the UFC does have an internship type program is called Dana White’s contender series. Yeah. And this is where they’re starting to build fighters up. And they’re catching these fighters before they have a chance to really talk to high level management and make some real decisive decisions when it comes to what they feel they’re worth their net worth and their input into the sport. So, although the Dana White contenders Don’t get me wrong, it is a great platform to bring new talent into the UFC. But it also shows this new talent to Dana, W. Me and all these folks before this talent has had a chance to muldaur decide on career path and decide on what I’m worth. And it’s also a way to to negate you going to other promotions, because I’d rather be on the contender series, then to go take a fight at Bella tour. On The Contender series. I’m going to get seen in a much in a much higher volume or whatever the UFC does that well, they will put you out there on a platform, they will build you. If you’re if you’ve got the right components behind you bellator can’t do that. You can’t really name any fighters at bellator who have built a brand near and you just know off the top of your, your, your your off your brain, you know those fighters in the UFC? You know that and then you know those guys who get the push from the UFC, tell me somebody who’s gonna push them belt or not. But what I’m getting to you is you don’t hear Michael venom page his name daily in your regular life. You hear of Conor McGregor. Yeah, you know what I’m saying? You hear of john Jones you hear of all these guys.

Ryan Smith 16:51
They’re both to be honest. Yeah, but I do dispute we got we got so much show that we have not even gotten to yet. But but I think this is a healthy debate. It always ends when we start talking about fighter pay and equality within within the discrepancy of how much money the UFC is bringing in and how much money is coming to the fighters. I think that that’s it’s always a topic that is worth discussing, and I hope we continue to have it but we got to get to the official decision because, you know, while we’re celebrating that there were three fights in seven days, there were actually you know, a ton of action that is worth talking about. So let’s get into it. This is the official decision.

All right, this is the official decision. This is where we look at the results from Wednesday and Saturday night we had a lot of fights going on. Well, the first one that we are going to do is the fight Anthony Smith versus Glover to share this was Wednesday, May 13. It was at the vice star Veterans Memorial in Jacksonville, Florida, there were five fights on the card. And, and this is a new new thing that we’re testing out today. Thanks to cholesky

Kelechi Onyebuchi 18:11
it is fun actually.

This one is thanks to our listeners were listening to you. Thanks for the advice. This one comes from Jessica.

Ryan Smith 18:23
All right. So we’re this is this is the card, Carl Roberson and Marvin vittori those those guys were those guys were scratched because Carl Robeson had a bad weight cut vittori confronted Carl Roberson in the lobby, and there was an almost an altercation. Lots of obscenities were yelled at each other. And I really can’t blame either guy. I can’t blame call Robeson because the cut was was was tough. But Marvin vittori has been through a lot and he still hasn’t had a chance to fight. Remember, this is the guy back at UFC love who flew to London and then had to fly back to the United States and then had to fly back and he didn’t get to fight and they held a fight down the street with fighters from his card.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:14
My dude is legit looking for a fight.

Ryan Smith 19:19
anywhere any time

Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:22
as Wow, I can’t win like I totally get that. I’d be livid.

Ryan Smith 19:27
Yeah. And he was and so i don’t i don’t blame him for it. But that’s what happened. Andrea Lawsky defeated Felipe lens via unanimous decision. That was a great fight Andrea, Laski is still after all these years still putting it down?

John Keyes 19:43
Is he like 40 yet? I think he’s 40 he’s like 4242 that’s what I was thinking he’s 42

Ryan Smith 19:50
he’s in his 80s that’s that’s a verifiable fact. You can you can search for that one.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:55
Ready to do this and they’re

Ryan Smith 19:58
not getting ready to like I’m watching I’ve seen his arms reach for the keyboard. I’m like, Oh, he’s gonna search that. And then he’s like, yeah, I guess he’s 42

John Keyes 20:09
Sweet Baby Jesus in the manger I’m looking at.

Ryan Smith 20:12
Yeah, but what was interesting is they were saying that Andrea lossky follow the game plan and when you follow the game plan good things happen. And so even though Felipe Lin’s was a faster striker it you know Andre lossky use that veteran cunningness and and and and pull that that one out. I it was a very close fight, but I’m glad that Andre lossky pulled it out.

John Keyes 20:34
Yeah, he’s 41 By the way,

Ryan Smith 20:36
there you go.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 20:37
Really good at guessing game. Hey, just

leave me alone. Just next. Ricky

Ryan Smith 20:46
needed Ray Borg via split decision. What a barnburner that was that fight was back and forth when you get those little hundred and 35 pound hundred 25 pound guys. I know they were 135 pounds in this fight but Ray Borg was fighting at 125 before the The Division went defunct. They were they were great. And Ricky Simone that is a big 135. Or he could probably be fighting at 145 and still be handling his own.

John Keyes 21:12
Yeah, that was a definite phone booth battle. They were they were fast. They were brutal. But in the end, never the the decision and the hands of the judges, you will not get your way especially in Florida, Florida has proven to many times that I don’t know which fight they were watching, but you know, they will mess it up.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 21:36
For our fighters, our listeners who aren’t as well versed in boxing terminology, or fighting terminology. Could you elucidate what you meant by phone

Ryan Smith 21:47
booth. We know what you did. The day

Kelechi Onyebuchi 21:56
I got it. I got I got that one is in my vocabulary.

I’m gonna make this a weekly stop

words.

John Keyes 22:08
elucidate a verb make something clear or explain

he’s gonna make me smart people.

Ryan Smith 22:22
We promote this podcast as a smart and funny podcast. This now we have checked the box on smart

Kelechi Onyebuchi 22:33
real quick when you say it was a phone book Fight, fight What does that mean?

John Keyes 22:38
That means that the fighters were it were so close to each other, they did not tend to run or anything like that they were literally so close to each other and swinging on each other, that you could have fit that fight into a phone booth and still got the same results.

Ryan Smith 22:52
So what caleche is really saying is is what is the phone booth because I mean, Oh guys know what a phone booth

John Keyes 23:03
Watch the original Superman 1978 that’s all I got.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 23:09
I just put tires in there and you both have one foot in the tire.

John Keyes 23:15
There you go.

Ryan Smith 23:17
Dober defeated Alexandra Hernandez. Alexander the Great via TK o in the second round talk about another great fight. Alexander Hernandez was moving striking stick in the movement, but drew Dover was not going to be denied. And he put it on Hernandez. Put the text down.

John Keyes 23:37
You know, I know he’s from Texas and everything but Was I the only one that was kind of satisfied with that with with Alex Alexander getting this getting the Molly whopped out of him.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 23:49
I mean, I had no I didn’t have any animus. Again,

John Keyes 23:51
I don’t have animosity, but you know, sometimes when you have a chip on your shoulder, it’s gonna get knocked off a little bit, just a little bit and then about Mr. Hernandez, I’m just saying,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 24:02
square up with him.

George Stallworth 24:04
Yeah, he’s from Texas. It’s not like, you know, he’s down the road, Minnesota somewhere. He’s

Kelechi Onyebuchi 24:09
literally knocked on his neck.

John Keyes 24:12
I won’t say it is I’ll take him before I take Mike Tyson. Okay, or I’ll take him before I take Mike Tyson. I’ll take him and Mike Tyson at the same time before taking Ghana. Okay, that’s just all I’m saying.

Ryan Smith 24:25
No, I mean, yeah.

Yeah, the guy would take my chances with Hernandez before I would take my chances with Mike Tyson or Francis in Ghana.

George Stallworth 24:38
More likely to see Hernandez before you see Mike or Ngannou.

John Keyes 24:42
Hernandez Don’t get me wrong, don’t run up on it. But if you do, man it is what it is. The thing was that when you first came on the scene, I understand having confidence I understand having drive but you also had a bit of cockiness a bit a little bit too much cockiness and you just had to be knocked down. Just a notch and drew Dover hopefully is the guy that did it, hopefully level off and you go back there with your drive. Not much of the chip well, so that I mean, I think that that’s fair, Drew Dober, even though he looks like a frat daddy. He does.

Ryan Smith 25:15
He does seem to be a bit more humble than, than then other fighters that we know. In the CO main event, Brit Ben rock world been lost. Well, there we go. Well, Big Ben defeated open st prove via split decision. I didn’t think it was a split decision. I didn’t see Oh, Vince, a prude winning anything really? Maybe the last round the last round. He came up kind of strong, but he really disappointed me and how slow he started, how he was kind of lazily throwing punches, how he was just moving around the ring and just taking just some big shots from Ben Rothwell. Like, like, dude, you are the more athletic dude like

The judges

Kelechi Onyebuchi 26:03
it’s weird that you’ve got the the belt holder, light heavyweight belt holder and john Jones. I know lsps move up to heavyweight as a potential roadmap to what it’s going to be like fighting it that way. Just because the two have matched up before and john Jones is clearly the superior fighter. So it’s strange that john is looking at that. But when you look at what opens brought to the ring, like there’s always that question of, are you going to be slower when you pack on the extra pounds? And in this case, it’s hard to tell because OSP is always a slow fighter when it comes comes down to it. But in this case, it wasn’t even about the the quickness of his his punches. It was how fast he was gonna run around the rink because that man was literally running from punches. He was he didn’t look like he was in any way shape or form prepared to be a heavyweight. Well,

George Stallworth 26:55
I don’t know what said I watched this fight as well. And what I do know is that When you are being struck, it tends to text your cardio a lot more than people anticipate. And so they move up with him he’s being he’s being hit by a heavyweight now. And that drains on your your meter a lot more than say, a john Jones. He didn’t know you. I’m not you’re not saying that you get what I’m saying that you got bigger guys hitting on you and no shots count more as far as your cardio, especially if they’re going to the body hitting you in the body or putting their weight on you and things like that. So in that sense, I could see why he was having some cardio problems. He might not have been properly prepared for that. And again, we’re going back to this, these fight cards were set up very quickly. Like we don’t know how long overdue OSP really got to train for this. And we always know that he’s not at a big camp. He’s not somewhere where he’s getting top level training. He’s not at at a winkeljohn or he’s not at a CSA or he’s not in a dark side MMA.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 27:56
Yeah. I was getting rid of

Ryan Smith 28:00
In St. Louis, if you are listening if anyone listening knows open St. Pru go see George. He is

George Stallworth 28:07
right. He’s your frat brother. You should be calling him out and tell him Come Come see me in Texas. Oh,man what you gotta say about that? Oh,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 28:16
ye ah, he went

George Stallworth 28:18
on there.

John Keyes 28:20
silence to the side.

George Stallworth 28:24
Oh SPB out, bro. Be out. Come on, come on out to Texas.

Ryan Smith 28:27
He should he should come out. Well, you know what we’ll look I’ll start I’ll start sending some words around. Oh, you know, hopefully it’s financial. Anyway, um,

George Stallworth 28:35
a lot of people don’t get that.

Unknown Speaker 28:41
I think what’s important reclamation also, in that fight, it had more more movement in the heavyweight division, right. So it was the start of the conversations or restarting that conversations about the fact that the heavyweight title is locked up with their champion choosing not to fight right now.

Ryan Smith 29:00
Yeah, and we’re gonna cover that if we get to it in the show because we’ve been we’ve been taking our good sweet time through this run sheet but that’s alright because it’s good conversation in the main event of the evening, Glover to share defeated Anthony Lionheart Smith via TKO in the fifth round. This was a murder fest from round three where Anthony Smith got hit in what I guess in the eye, and then it just led to him getting beaten down more and more and more until the fifth round at which time they finally stopped this fight. We won’t let’s not get too much into the the stopping of the fight because I want to cover that in fighting the angles. That’ll be the first thing that we’ll talk about. But just Are you shocked at Glover to share a being able to, to add to pull this out. I mean, I thought his This was probably going to be the end of his career. If Anthony Smith had pulled out what he what he started out doing,

Unknown Speaker 30:06
I saw a lot of good head movement. He didn’t look as slow as everyone tried to make it seem like George, I think you and I were doing live at that time. Are we? Good? Yeah, come through that fight. And it seemed pretty clear that even in the second round, like Glover was doing a good job of keeping his head off the centerline and avoiding the big shots from Anthony and it was just a matter of time. It looked like he was taking some shots but able to he was gonna wait out Anthony throughout the fight. So I’m impressed by it’s just that fight IQ is really showing itself there. And he’s one of these fighters who’s actually getting better with age. He’s like a fine What?

George Stallworth 30:42
Well, we we know, especially the bigger weights tend to do better as they get older, your lighter weights don’t tend to stick around long, because there’s a speed component at the lighter weight that gets that I have classes guys as they get older, older, whereas in heavyweight, you’ve developed what’s called Old Man Strip A lot of you don’t know about that, but I’ll tell you about that Oh, man, it’s just to keep you out a little bit longer man and, and it lets you do some things that a lot of people don’t expect you to be able to do at those bigger weights man and it’s for real. I think we’re going to start seeing that more and more with john Jones, which is why he’s eyeing that move up to heavyweight, because if you look at john in his last fight, he looked a little. Yeah. He looked a little pudgy around the waistline. I mean that with the most respect, john, because maybe I’ll see you one day. But what I’m saying to you is as a as a larger weight guy, as I’ve gotten older, I noticed that old man strip does coming up to play.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 31:44
Yeah, you know, walk over, but you’re gonna live back.

George Stallworth 31:47
You’re gonna love that, man.

Ryan Smith 31:50
All right, well, that is it for the first fight on Wednesday night. And then there was overeem versus Harris. This was also at the five star Veterans Memorial Arena on Saturday night may 16th there were five fights on that card as well. Sonia Dong was was in action. He I didn’t know that he was training out of Team Alpha Male.

John Keyes 32:11
Really? He’s always been there. That’s a one of your favors protegees If anything,

George Stallworth 32:18
so speaking of I don’t know if you guys knew this, but he had some visa issues, apparently and Uriah Faber almost stepped in on behalf of him. That’s why he

John Keyes 32:28
weighed them. Yes, right. He weighed in. Right. And we were everybody was wondering, why was he weighing in? And now we know no one’s half the battle.

Ryan Smith 32:36
There it is. It was a great fight. If you haven’t seen this fight collection. I know that. I know that you said you hadn’t had a chance to see this one. Go back and watch it. The the the second round, I think it was the second round between Sonia down and Marlin Vera was just lightning. I mean, this whole fight was was another one of those as john was saying. It was a fight in a phone booth, but this one was I mean, it was everything you wanted to see in a fight. It was super good. Christoph dotco defeated Eric Anders via unanimous decision. You know, in this fight Christoph Jocko was really just the the more technical fighter. He he he Eric Anders really has a style that tries to get you up against the cage grapple with you get this fight on the ground or land some big shots as you’re disconnecting or coming away from from that. But unfortunately Eric Anders was not able to execute with with his game plan. And so therefore, Christophe job kill basically took him apart.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 33:42
That’s that’s been a problem for Eric Anders for a while and his last few fights where he just he seems to be outclassed by his opponent, and that’s exactly why I didn’t pick him in this fight.

Ryan Smith 33:54
So, yeah, anybody else have something on that one?

George Stallworth 33:58
You know, I pick Eric And as in this fight, man and

I was not expecting him to get up outclassed in that way. But we also saw it with who’s the guy fought.

been trying over in Thailand. I can’t remember the name now, but we

Kelechi Onyebuchi 34:15
chose it. Yeah.

George Stallworth 34:17
I wish I could remember. Yes, khaleel Roundtree, this fight reminded me. Oh, happy about yourself. Look at you, you drop a name.

Call your friend.

Say come to Texas.

Anyway, the point man, um,

Eric is another one I think could definitely benefit from maybe not as switching camps, but I’d really like to know who he’s training with. From what I understand. He’s out of Alabama. So he’s probably not at the best place for him right now. And there’s nothing wrong with staying true and loyal to your original coaches. But it doesn’t mean you can’t cross train and pick up new skills from different places. He strikes me as one of those guys that it’s time for him to go pick up some new skills from some different places. I’ve seen him through.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 35:08
I’ve seen him at factory acts very rarely. And even then it seems like he’s kind of on his own his own program. He’s not really working well with the striking coaches that are there. It’s not that there’s like a difference, but he’s kind of got his own set agenda. And that’s common for fighters to still bring in their own coaches when they’re visiting other gyms. But Eric Anders, like having seen him train up close and personal, it he does need like a switch in his program to really, he’s got to fundamentally change his game. If he wants to be competitive at this level. He’s his style just is not working for him. I tell you similar to OSB in that sense.

George Stallworth 35:42
It’s easily it’s easy to be figured out. Yeah. It’s not a tough puzzle to solve to solve. The Why can’t talk tonight, gentlemen.

Ryan Smith 35:52
So in the next Fight of the Night, Dan egay. defeated Edson Barboza, that fight looks Like it was gonna be all at some Barbosa This was his first fight at 145 pounds then he gay was welcome him into the to the featherweight division and and to be honest I’m like I know when we were watching we were like oh man it’s in Barbosa is gonna gonna win this fight easily and then the second round happened Eric Anders turn the gas on and he never looked back. I mean, sorry Dan he gay turn the gas on I’m sorry we were saying Eric and Dan he gay turn the gas on and never look back and so it was it was a wonderful fight good back and forth and and you know, I wonder what what in Barbosa is gonna do now because it’s like, wake up was too much. He got

Unknown Speaker 36:45
ragdoll done some of these days. Like there’s a big takedown where he just gets like he’s flying.

Ryan Smith 36:55
Like those guys in front of the car dealership.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 37:02
He needs some milk.

George Stallworth 37:06
So you saying the way cut was so much? looking at him? I didn’t think that because I’ve seen him a little bit more cut up at 155. Then he looked at 145. He actually looked like he still had weight he could he could lose at 145. I felt like I didn’t think he was he looked all that drawn up. I didn’t think he looked all that bad. In fact, I felt like there was still a lot, not a lot, but there was body fat on him that there could have been dropped down even more. This way.

It wasn’t like we were looking at his his wasn’t like we were looking at a six pack on him. You get what I’m saying? Yeah, Casey,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 37:42
I said that’s why you can’t be my coach.

Ryan Smith 37:52
But you got a five pack that you got. You can cut some more weight

in the highway robbery of night it was Claudia Adela, defeating Angela overkill Hill in a split decision victory. I didn’t see it. Angela Hill won this fight. I agree with her. She did work and she cut up. Claudia Nadella I don’t know why they gave that fight to her that’s that’s somehow

George Stallworth 38:20
robbery. That definitely was the robbery of the night. I I wish there was some remedy other than to petition the Commission’s in a situation like that man, because it’s very rare commission is going to change the outcome of a of a judge’s scorecard. But there needs to be some recompense for situations like that man. The rest of the world didn’t get it wrong. We got it right. Those three judges got it wrong. If I recall correctly, one of those judges gave all three rounds to color.

Ryan Smith 38:56
Yeah, and and and it’s crazy. It’s crazy to see that Go ahead Collette you I know you want I know you want to tease me Go ahead.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 39:04
No, I wasn’t gonna tease you. I was I was in Georgia he he had that Recompense. Oh my God wouldn’t even make fun of your team hell over here like I was I was celebrating rather than eight.

I’m trying to be a better person. Alright.

Ryan Smith 39:20
And then in the in the main event of the evening, Alister. Some call him the Demolition Man overeem defeated the big ticket wall Harris and this was while Harris’s first fight back after the loss of his stepdaughter. And, you know, I think everybody as much as Alice overeem is beloved by most people, except for color. He. He, we all really wanted to see Walt Harris come back and win this fight. And if if things worked out the way that they should have Alistair overeem was defeated, he was knocked down he was bloodied he was beaten, and the fight was not stopped while Harris blew his all of his his his gas on on that exchange at the very beginning of the fight, Alistair overeem was able to turn that around by the end of the first round and then in the second round, he was able to finish it off with a TKO in the second round against wall Harris sending wall Harris to the showers without that coveted win. It was pretty sad I was upset about it because they really should have stopped the fight at the beginning of the fight when Paul Harris had had the advantage

Kelechi Onyebuchi 40:40
go ahead john looks like you got some there.

John Keyes 40:43
All I’m gonna say is that the kg veteran beat the the young fighter that that’s that was that’s what it was. I you know, this was one of the classier moments believer not for Alistair overeem. Cuz usually he can be What’s the word I can say without without any bullish leads? bullish we will use bullish tonight. Okay, he can be a bit of a of a bully, he can be a bit of an arrogant side. All right. But this was one of the more classier moments that even after he beat him, it wasn’t like he had anything bad to say he had nothing but much respect from the get go when they were told to touch gloves. And he actually went in and hugged them. And yeah, you know, it was it was a good fight. It was a great fight anybody watch that fight? And watch how good it was. Walt had them he could have I really wish he could have finished them. He

Ryan Smith 41:45
finished him the ref didn’t stop the fight. The fight should have been stopped. And we’re gonna talk about

George Stallworth 41:52
oh overeem was out. When he got rocked. He was out like he went to sleep for a second rocked up the cage and what happens when he did The cage that rolled back, right, exactly. And I wouldn’t even call it a flash knockout. I mean, literally, he goes down, those eyes are closed, he hits the cage, he opens up and he’s taking more shots and taking more damage. Referee did not step in to stop that fight when it probably should have been.

John Keyes 42:17
We’re gonna talk about that in the next segment because we got stuff to say about Lionheart on that same subject. Should the

Kelechi Onyebuchi 42:25
fighters

John Keyes 42:25
protect the fight? Protect the fighters.

George Stallworth 42:29
Real goes wrong, is what it should

John Keyes 42:32
be bang, bro. Okay. All right.

Ryan Smith 42:35
All right. So there you have it. Those were the fights from Wednesday and Saturday night. Let’s go ahead and close the book on this one and put it on the shelf because this one is history. Now let’s look at the fight that look at the topics that are making waves in the UFC world with finding the angles

right this is finding the angles. This is where we look at the headlines making waves in the wake of the action on Wednesday and Saturday night. The first thing we’re going to talk about is what everyone else is talking about. And that is Anthony Lionhearts Smith and the fallout of the brutality, brutality of the of the action on Wednesday night, Anthony Lionheart Smith had to be had to show every ounce of that Lionheart in his in the mauling that he took from Glover to share but what really set some people off at least set me off. I’ll speak for myself is his comments on the Alistair overeem. And while Harris fight, he tweets out, he’s trying to watch the fights from the eyes of other people tonight. one guy’s hitting another guy a bunch Is this where we start calling the ref and corners to step in? Also, what point do we get disgusted because people have been vocal about Anthony Lionheart Smith’s core for sending him out not just into the fourth round, but in the fifth round where it is reported that he was injured his corner knew he was injured. The ref knew he was injured and no one was stepping in that he was handing teeth to the referee in the middle of the fight, referee just put them in his pocket. It’s like yeah, you get them later. And And still, we’re like, oh, well, that’s the sport.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 44:30
I think there’s a lot of problematic issues that go along with this. In that some sense. We praise fighters like Colby Covington whispers to his corner. I think I broke my job. And then he broke my job since it clearly twice, sends him out. Basically, to get slaughtered like that could have ended really ugly. In this case, and we’ve seen this time and time again with our fighter. You’re in a very different spot as a fighter when you’ve got you’ve got your your machine He’s most on the line, right? Like, you don’t ever ask a guy, Hey, how are you doing in front of like a crowd because he’s never gonna tell you the truth because this false notion of bravery and strength right? Now imagine that magnified with millions of people watching and how intimate that setting is. But you’ve got a camera right here. And if I whisper to my coach that I can’t go on, like, that’s the only clip that’s going to be played over and over and over again. And now somehow that’s tied to my manlihood. Like, as much as we want a fighter to give everything that we’ve got, what separates this from brutality on the street is that it is a sport, and someone’s supposed to step in for the good of the fighters. And in this case, you guys know me, I’m a factory ex home team guy, and will always speak well of them. But this did not show well for the sport. I understand. The notion of my fighter says he wants to go and I’m going to let them go. But what makes this a sport is that we’re not actually trying to kill each other.

And that we lost in this exchange. Yeah.

Ryan Smith 46:07
Mic drop. All right.

John Keyes 46:12
I guess I’ll play the bad guy. All right,

Ryan Smith 46:15
there we go. Come on john keys.

John Keyes 46:18
All right, so. Okay, so if I’m the understand I

Lionhearts team knew what they were doing. Yeah. Anthony Lionheart knew what they were what they were doing. They both had a plan. Okay.

Glover went out there executed his plan. His plan was to win. Okay.

We can’t fault neither Lionheart or his team. If they both understood what they were going to do. He’s going out there and he is going to fight. He is going to continue to fight. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying Understand, is the refs job to stop that man. Okay, it is the refs job to sit there and say, No, you’ve had enough. The ref didn’t do that. So I’m not gonna I’m not mad at Lionheart for doing what he did. I’m not even upset with Lionhearts team, because they had it they had an understanding of what was going on out there. I mean, losing a couple of teeth. I’ve seen hockey lose couple of teeth all the time a hockey player. I don’t think maybe one hockey player that has all of his teeth and has been in the league for three years. You can’t With that said, Okay. Do I think that was a smart plan for Lionhearts team to go out there and let him get beat into into some Walmart hamburger meat? No, I do not believe in that. You’ve never seen a Walmart hamburger meat. It’s pretty, pretty soft. Anyway.

But it is what it is

Kelechi Onyebuchi 47:55
Joe exotic over here.

John Keyes 47:59
I won’t say whose fault it is? I promise. It was. It’s the wrath. All right. And even then,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 48:08
wow, I should never throw in the towel Jason

John Keyes 48:13
j have an ultimate understanding. They know what they did

Ryan Smith 48:16
Jay dam, Jason Herzog, the referee in that fight, apologize for not stopping it. What he said is that the sport of infamous MMA is beautiful. It’s pure and incredible teachers, some lessons are more harsh than others. I’ve seen a lot of opinions of what should have happened and who was at fault. Let me be clear, there was only one person to blame me I am responsible for each fighter I am entrusted to oversee, I will take this experience and make the message necessary changes and get better. So Jason Herzog said that it was his fault. But the crazy thing about it is that Anthony Smith comes back and says to that apology is that that’s showing weakness. He did not think that Jason Herzog needed to Apologize for anything and that’s where Anthony Smith really lost it for me

Kelechi Onyebuchi 49:04
like it’s problematic we

Ryan Smith 49:09
have to stop the the this this this Apollo Creed die in the ring kind of mentality that this is a this is not a this is a sport but it’s not a game.

George Stallworth 49:21
Well this is the same guy that didn’t take the opportunity to win the heavyweight I mean the Light Heavyweight Championship off of any illegal knee so it’s not like this isn’t uncommon behavior for him. He you get what I’m saying? Like he’s gonna stand up on the side of I want to be a martial artist and that’s what he’s saying in that

John Keyes 49:41
so he might as well go train with Brian Ortega and Max. Cuz they’re all way that’s just their mentality. I’m not faulting the man for his mentality, nor his opinion. Am I saying is smart? No, I’m not saying smart. I’m saying that’s how he’s wired. The judge better be aware.

Ryan Smith 50:03
It just stands to reason to me that at some point we have got to stop the insanity when you see it. When you see a fighter gets injured, he gets a clean strike. It was clearly a part of the glove went into his eye he couldn’t see. And he, he stopped defending himself. He wasn’t intelligently defending himself. He was taking the damage basically turtling up the entire entire rest of the third round. He went back out, and he was not better. He ended up I mean, it was a 10 seven round the amount of damage he did. I don’t think that I haven’t seen the stats on it. But I don’t believe that Anthony Smith landed any type of offense and it wasn’t meaningful if he did. And in that case, you’ve got to think as the ref number one is this fight over the ref let this go into the into the into the fifth round when it shouldn’t have the moment Anthony Smith hands him his teeth, and you put it in your pocket, you got to be thinking, maybe this fight shouldn’t go anymore. The ref is number one to blame for this because he is in control of who the fighters what’s going on in the ring and and protecting the fighters. But when that safety, that safety lever fails, then it falls to the responsibility of the coroner to say listen, the ref should be stopping this fight right now. I know that my fighter is beaten. There is no way my fighter can win this fight. And I agree with Charles Sutton in saying then it’s the corners responsibility. Now it’s my responsibility to say there’s no way we’re going to get a flash knockout. This is unprofitable, but we are getting more and more damage to our fighter right? We have to stop the fight. And when that doesn’t happen, then it’s up to the fighter to say Listen, I got to be real with myself and if I’m going to be you know on a highlight reel, then I’ve got to say I’m not going back out there.

John Keyes 52:00
But when you’re when your corner is in the same mentality as you, as we’re going to finish this five round fight, you as a rep have to it does fall back on the rep to sit there say, No, you’re not going to finish this five round fight

Kelechi Onyebuchi 52:17
you are. You’d like to talk about things in terms of street fights. So let’s talk about it as a street fight. Let’s say that the corners are a group of people and the fighters are two people that got beef. So they meet up in an alley and let’s let’s let’s keep keep the fight the way it’s gone and Smith Smith starts he starts out good. But then it gets hit so hard that his teeth come out, fly out on the ground. Now us his group that came with them. You’ve got options at that point, like you got to jump in or at the very least get your guy out. Why is it that in a street fight we know that that fights over we can Let that guy die. But because it’s a sport, somehow we differentiate their humanity and say, let them fight off. Because in the street, there is no way that you let somebody teeth come out on the floor. And y’all don’t say, Hey, y’all gotta stop this, someone’s gonna die. But we put them in an octagon, and we say blood, blood, blood blood is it’s messed up.

Ryan Smith 53:31
Man with the keys to the blood.

George Stallworth 53:35
So let’s talk a little bit behind the scenes on this. All right,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:38
Joe. George has a greater perspective here. So let’s hear it. Let’s hear it.

Ryan Smith 53:41
Okay. So

George Stallworth 53:43
from what I understand, Anthony Smith has been nears. So these were not his actual teeth. They were being knocked out at that point. These were the veneers being knocked off the caps of his teeth. And from what I understand this is a very common thing in practice. Casey, maybe you could speak to that. No, no, but so from what I understand when when we hear that, hey, he was picking up his teeth and putting them in the referees hand, these were veneers and it’s not uncommon for a tooth to be knocked out in a fight. In fact, typically the Commission’s keep a cup of milk somewhere cage side in order to accommodate tapes that are knocked out during a fight. So, in that sense, I don’t think that’s very uncommon. I don’t know if you guys knew that or were aware of

Kelechi Onyebuchi 54:27
uncommon but that’s still a big deal as someone who’s knocked out another person’s tooth on accident, like it’s a lot of force generated when you knock out a person’s shoes. And as someone who’s had a cat come off, like those things are meant to be cemented on. Right? That’s why you see fights with a tooth that he can take out so that he doesn’t have to worry about it. So like, I guess what I’m saying is a big deal.

George Stallworth 54:50
I’m not saying it’s not a big deal, you’re going into a fight that in and of itself. It’s a big deal. But these guys know that walking in and there are precautions Sit there. And I’m sure that a conversation took place during when when fighters are filling out their paperwork saying, Hey, I have the nears, hey, I have these issues. These are things. And so typically a referee should be aware of that beforehand. So when I’m handing you my teeth and you realize not only that you realize I’ve told you already, hey, these are veneers, these, it’s not uncommon for these to fall out when I get hit the wrong way. So we’re looking at it from our perspective, if it was us, fair, and the truth is which we should be looking at it from a perspective of, Hey, this is a guy who’s gone in and already informed the commission of any elements he has any issues he has any damage that he’s already incurred and things like that. And that’s what happened in that. So when we hear, hey, he got his teeth knocked out, it’s not the whole story, so to speak, but it’s,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 55:49
it’s his side, knocked out in the fight. And stop. If you get your teeth knocked out in a fight. I promise you this. I’m a pacifist. Everyone knows that. But I’m stepping in there and getting you out.

John Keyes 56:00
And that’s a commendable for you, Casey. But

Kelechi Onyebuchi 56:06
I don’t want john in my corner.

Ryan Smith 56:10
Remember last week,

George Stallworth 56:13
I’m gonna let you talk. Hold on a minute. That’s

Ryan Smith 56:14
what y’all remember last week, George picked john to be his corner man. Last week

John Keyes 56:21
that let’s get this understand if George says, Hey, man, if I take 10 hits, you better be thrown in that towel. You best believe I’m gonna throw in that towel because we’re on that same weight and that same page. It’s all about the page. If the tff Lionheart turned around and looked at one like look, we’re doing five rounds. I don’t care if I’m if my along if one of my lungs fall on the floor, I still have another lung

Ryan Smith 56:46
to breathe with. He didn’t even say that there. We know for a fact he did not turn to his corner and say, with all the blood come at everything that was happening to him. He did not turn and say I’m doing five rounds. We know that did not happen, but you know, getting the teeth, teeth coming out. While it may happen, and there’s no way that you should really compare hockey to MMA, but the teeth coming out is just evidence of greater trauma that’s happening. The key thing here is, is that their fighter was still not producing offense, he was turned off, he was turning up next to the cage, taking damage, bleeding profusely from his cauliflower ears, and, and, and and not fighting back. And that’s not just at the end of the third round, but it was throughout the fourth round and part of the fifth round, like you’re watching a guy get beaten in front of you, and He is your guy. All that stuff should go out of the window, all the agreements, hey, don’t throw the towel in for me. That’s conversation that happens in the locker room. But now, things have changed. Clearly your fighter is injured.

You got George,

tell me you would tell me

tell me you would you would have stopped the fight. If you were in the corner of Anthony Lionhearts Smith that night, you would have stopped that fight tell me you would have restored my trust.

George Stallworth 58:19
I have to trust it. I know my fighter thing I make that this decision in the moment. If I if I was working with Anthony Smith, and I already know, hey, his teeth fall out because he has been nears. Hey, he bleeds easy because he’s got scar tissue above his eyebrow. Hey, he he’s got a weak chin. But I’ve seen him take strikes and turn around and turn to like the overeem. Like, I’d have to take that into account as a coach. And when I decided to stop a fight, as opposed to when I see my fighter, taking damage that I know it’s taking years off of his life, not just worried about that moment or that fight. There is a difference there are some some things that you know a fighter can deal with. There are some things that change a human being forever when it comes to striking. And me as a coach, I should know my fighter to know the difference when that is happening. Thank you.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:15
Oh, so a good example of this Rory MacDonald fight is the bloodiest, most brutal thing that with any, yes, but the difference in that fight and for those of you guys are for those of you who haven’t seen it, Roy McDonald versus Robbie Lawler is the single bloodiest event that you’ve ever seen. But it also is one of the most competitive fights you’ve ever seen. And I think that’s where we, we see this dichotomy is in that fight, you’ve got a bloody nasty mess, where you could maybe make an argue that you should stop the fight because it’s gross. And these fighters are not going to walk away the same in any way. There’s going to be surgeries here. But in this case, you’ve got a fighter who had I think what cements it for him. is the guy who’s turtled up waiting for this to be over?

John Keyes 1:00:04
Okay. I’m sorry. Go ahead, Casey. I’m sorry.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:00:08
Yeah, no, that’s the point. I’m looking at

Ryan Smith 1:00:11
metrics here. I’m looking at the matrix here. And in round three, Anthony Smith threw five strikes and landed one in round three, e three and had two more to go. He landed 12 strikes in the fourth round. He landed zero strikes in the fifth round.

John Keyes 1:00:29
Okay, now, that Now on the flip side, well, on the flip side of what Casey is saying, you can go back and look at the GSP versus Dan hardy fight, where at the end of the fight GSP had Dan Hardy’s arm and a Camorra and he was sitting on top of him, and he was twisting his he was taking his arm to places that you only do with like GI Joe and Legos. Okay. He He was literally twisting it all over the place. And Dan hardy did not submit. Okay, and even then, when they were standing up and doing strikes GSP was hitting him with straight jabs, the same jabs that he used to break cost checks orbital, and he still kept fighting. Now after the fight you never fought again. Dan hardy never kept fighting

Ryan Smith 1:01:25
but but but still end up by Dan Hardy. Number one Dan hardy still kept fighting right. He was still producing offense and that fight was competitive. Number two Dan hardy didn’t never fought again, not because of the damage he took from from George St. Pierre. He never fought again because he had a heart defect, a heart valve problem it was called wolf heart or something like that. Right. And so it

John Keyes 1:01:48
called GSP knee to the heart No,

Ryan Smith 1:01:50
and and so and so Dan hardy never fought again for that reason. The fact is, is that Anthony Smith landed 37 strikes in the first round. He landed 36 strikes in the second round 112 and zero.

John Keyes 1:02:07
Big Big difference.

Yes, it was.

Ryan Smith 1:02:10
So but you really have to then say, listen, we and it’s different if we had not watched Anthony Lionheart Smith go toe to toe with john Jones. It’s different if we had not seen Anthony Lionheart Smith put legends to bed. Mm hmm. So we know what Anthony Lionheart Smith is capable of. And when you see him not able to generate more than 12 strikes in an entire round, then you have to think that there’s something wrong with our fighter. Maybe we should get him out. We got it. We’re over an hour right now. And we have on we’re on the first topic of this what happens when you have two major cards in a week, right?

John Keyes 1:02:56
Yeah, black

you know, bottom line. On your if you if the fighter in their corner got agenda and it’s up to the ref to identify that, hey, they’re not stopping. I need to stop it. Okay, that’s the rest job. Okay, that’s not Glover’s fault. That is not Anthony’s fault. It is the rest that needs to stop. He is the arbitrary, arbitrary judge before anybody else in that in that ring. He is the guy that should have stopped that I’m not mad at either fighter. And I’m not really mad at the judge because he just said, Well, you know, he did a Mario, Yamasaki.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:03:38
All right.

Ryan Smith 1:03:40
Yeah, let’s talk about Tony Ferguson because he is another guy that was that that was taking all kinds of damage looking like a zombie in the ring. With Jade when Justin he was just wailing on him. And finally the judge stopped that fight. I kind of want to know who the judge was for the Tony fight. Give me Give me just one second. I’m looking that one up real quick.

Because if it was, if it was Hertzog, I’m gonna be like, yo.

Oh, it was Dominick Cruz that had he was in Dominick Cruz fight. Keith Peterson. Nas Keith Peterson. Yeah. So the Justin he fight had drumroll please. Herb Dean. It was her game. I’m not one who likes to let them bleed. But anyway, yeah.

John Keyes 1:04:28
He went on his vigilante streak that night. Okay. It was like I let them lie. I let them live.

Ryan Smith 1:04:33
Here’s the thing. Um, so we saw Tony Ferguson dancing in the hospital. A week ago, we found out that he is not going to need orbital surgery, so therefore he is likely going to be back in action sooner than we had expected. Although his coach is striking coach Rashad Holloway says that Tony Ferguson needs a mental break from the sport following the UFC 249 loss we know that Tony Ferguson is wound just a bit tighter than The rest of us it’s probably a good idea for him to take a little bit of some r&r.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:06
I think it’s important to give him that may is mental health awareness month and so Tony he does have some struggles and let’s be real the mindset that he takes into the fight the persona that he has to put on. It’s a lot a lot on him and I think it’s wise to take that moment because not a lot of fighters have the Israel adesanya mindset which is stepping into this, this Limelight this this fight game is intense, and he works with a professional to keep his mind right. And I think it shows like how, how, how he’s able to deal with the stress and bounce back and still maintain that fighter mentality without being overboard, so shout out. Shout out to Tony for being in his corner for being aware of the mental health aspect that comes into fighting.

John Keyes 1:05:51
Well, hold on because just like with Tony Israel, I don’t know if you just to clarify Israel out of Sanya also when he became a champion. He got He got help to just to be in a champion lifestyle. So I mean, he’s doing it too. So

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:06:06
yeah, yeah, that’s what I’m saying is that okay? Israel Israel came into

before he even started fighting for the belt. He prepared himself mentally knowing he was gonna be in this position. And part of that mental preparation was working with a mental health professional. And I think that it’s important that he talks about that too, because so many fighters don’t talk about the mental health aspect of it. And he brings he normalizes it when you get a champion who’s like look, yeah, this stuff is hard doing these interviews are it’s a stress like they’re required to be camera ready at all times. And as champion that is only magnified. So I think it’s it’s wise that he’s, he’s taking care of himself physically, emotionally and spiritually, like it’s the whole body champion.

Ryan Smith 1:06:53
All right. So someone who else who has had some challenges with with, you know, his mental health is Uriah Hall we know that Uriah Hall is another person who is a phenomenal athlete but gets sometimes gets too far inside his own feelings and and gets too much into it and then the next thing you know, he’s not able to perform well. He remember he was supposed to be the Joker a Sousa opponent at UFC 249 and it didn’t happen. So they said he’s in great shape. The next person they’re calling out

is Julian Romero. Oh,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:07:36
that was good. I heard it

was much better.

John Keyes 1:07:39
Oh my Lord.

Ryan Smith 1:07:42
Uriah halls calling out ul Romero, the soldier of God. I actually am excited if that fight could actually happen because you talked about two people who can go video game mode in a second.

John Keyes 1:07:55
That would actually work that

Ryan Smith 1:07:56
would be an amazing fight.

John Keyes 1:08:00
But will your oil with oil if he beats him we’ll be doing like he did Luke rockhold

Ryan Smith 1:08:06
cuz he’s

George Stallworth 1:08:12
Oh yeah, I don’t want I just want to give a shout out real quick man I see somebody came in online watching coach our john Carlos Moreno out in California man over at Oakdale MMA and I think he teaches at one of the gym I can’t remember the name right offhand man but major contributor to my life major contributed to me as a fighter as a coach is all those things man. I really miss missed that man. I wish he was back in Texas. But if you’re out in California, if you’re in that area out there, anywhere from I think it’s from Oakland to Dublin to what else is out to San Francisco all those areas man Northridge or john you need to go to man he wanted to real estate ones I know.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:08:53
All right. Well,

Ryan Smith 1:08:54
shout out. Shout out to coach.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:08:58
Coach. Also this URL room Fight crazy excited for that to happen because of the connections that that my school has to the UFC. It’s just crazy. So I fought someone who lost terribly to weld in the Olympics. And I used to walk around campus. And he was ranked I want to say like number 30th in for wrestling and so every time I see him on the quad, I take them on a single leg and pin them and raise my hands like I’m number 29. Now also, I would not recommend doing that to someone who wrestled in the Olympics. They’re crazy strong, like holy crap. But I just I kind of love these connections and the storylines that these fighters have. And what I like about this matchup is like Like you said, the both these guys have ridiculous levels of athleticism and they put on a show like they can turn into video game real fast. But what’s what I like about this is something that you hate about it is that as much as both of them have their own individual storylines. There are two stories don’t cross in a way that the UFC can make this a pull your heartstrings story. Like it just doesn’t work this has to be about the fight and fight fight style matchup. And that to me is the purity of this particular fight that if they could make this fight happen, there’s no oh well I feel bad for Ryan’s got some stories where we can feel bad for him, but not in a way where you can just like make it Oh, well, you’re well didn’t so it comes to true martial arts in that matchup, and I love it. Like, I don’t need the storylines, like, I don’t want like a Lifetime movie right before every fight and like, Oh, well, this guy’s dog died in the third grade. And that’s when he roundhouse kick like

a bit much. Just give me two guys who were like video game level and

John Keyes 1:10:47
finish him.

Play tip seven, you’re gonna watch this fight.

Ryan Smith 1:10:55
We’re gonna back up just for coach of coach Ireland for quick, quick second. He’s one What we thought about the overeem fight ref should have stopped it but let it go. He said, What’s your thoughts compare that fight with the DOM dominant crew stoppage. So, George, I’ma let you have that one first for you.

George Stallworth 1:11:11
Well, I think you guys already know I felt like white hairs had a fight wrapped up in it, the referee should have stopped it originally when it went down. A lot of people are going to say, Hey, you know, the combat in itself says that, you know, the referee made the right call and not stopping that that fight. But I disagree as opposed to the dominant cruise fight. I felt like that one may have actually been stopped a little early in the same sense. dominant wasn’t taking the same damage that overeem took from what Paris at that moment.

Ryan Smith 1:11:40
It’s true. True. I agree with that. I don’t think that Dominick Cruz fight was stopped early though I think that he was asleep. The moment his head hit the hit that cage and the next strike that he took from Henry so Hutto was just was just insult to injury there. When you go back and look at the Dominick Cruz fight you look at where his hand placement on the mat and he is it’s the back of his hands on the mat he’s not he’s not posting up to stand he is his the back of his hands are on the mat and that means he’s out he’s taking damage and he is not he’s not suited to come back and win that fight. So that’s the only difference that I have from Mr. Mr. stalwarts opinion.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:12:21
I mean, it’s not like the Chicago fight with the greatest comeback ever

John Keyes 1:12:24
had Barry Yeah. I agree with Ryan. That was to me on answer hits in a Dominick Cruz Henry pseudo fight as an

George Stallworth 1:12:37
AI as opposed to what in overeem and,

John Keyes 1:12:39
okay. Okay with the overeem wall terrorists, there is this, this mentality that if you see a champion fight and whether I agree with it or not, when you see a champion fight if they if they tend to let the champions fight a little bit longer. longer and take a few more hits because they’ve seen them in crazy, crazy positions like that. And now how many crews is a two time champion, but hands on, Paul a hands on the ground. He’s he had his two knees,

George Stallworth 1:13:15
bracing himself back to stay at the

Ryan Smith 1:13:18
back of the room.

John Keyes 1:13:24
I want you to put your hands on the hands just like Dominick Cruz and try to get up and see if you can do so.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:13:29
I mean, that’s what I’m saying.

George Stallworth 1:13:34
Yes, I’m gonna eat some shots in the meantime, while I’m bracing to stand up. Meanwhile, tell me some when overeem was down taking those shots, and he took a flurry of shots. Matter of fact, Dana even spoke about it for a minute. He said, Hey, that flurry of shots from what the big difference? Well, he didn’t say the difference in it. But basically what he was saying was that the shots didn’t have the The effect of putting him down in the same manner because of his size, his weight, bigger weights are able to take shots a lot better than say, guys that went 35 right. So,

John Keyes 1:14:13
and I don’t like Dominick Cruz let’s put it out there. Okay,

George Stallworth 1:14:16
Dominick Cruz was not out if dominant was out then that definitely the overeating fight.

John Keyes 1:14:25
All the way down,

Ryan Smith 1:14:26
out. Okay, he was out he was out,

George Stallworth 1:14:31
saw a camera frame picture photo. And I promise you if you go back and look at the

John Keyes 1:14:38
the guy who took that camera

George Stallworth 1:14:40
shots, Johnny hearns even pause right. He said he would have missed a lot of those punches. Hey,

John Keyes 1:14:45
I’m just saying. All right. We can

go back to our punches. All right. But what Carlos was saying,

George Stallworth 1:14:52
yes. In comparison, no. No stoppages was one legit and the other was it were both stoppages. legit or vice versa we’re both stoppages the wrong call we this goes back to something I talked about or want to talk about on the show was back to referee and judging. If you look back at this this put it on display these three fights in a series really show the MMA community show up the casual fan and hopefully show these Commission’s because they got to look at and judge Florida as a commission as a whole and say, hey, maybe this is something we need to take a look at, because there were some very bloody fights that didn’t get stopped at all didn’t even get a referee called in to look at a fighter as opposed to there were fights that were stopped and there wasn’t much damage being being done whatsoever. And other fights that should have been called and weren’t allowed to move on. Yeah.

John Keyes 1:15:45
Um, who was the ref for Dominic? Dominic Cruz and Peterson Peterson. I was the ref for for four walls Harris and her dog

different different points of view. So in other words,

George Stallworth 1:16:02
I know let’s go let’s go back there was one other damn hurdle yada

Ryan Smith 1:16:09
yada was was uh

oh, who was it? Ferguson I think was no turning.

George Stallworth 1:16:16
He did the walk Harris. He did walk Harrison over if I didn’t

Ryan Smith 1:16:19
know I’m looking now. Yeah.

I had to be damaged. Because we were like, Damn ugly. It just he don’t even stand in the right position. It was damaged. He was not properly positioned to see Alistair overeem it with his eyes.

George Stallworth 1:16:34
Herzog was over the Tony Ferguson fire and just engaging. Yep. So refs and all of them are being called into question for the decisions that they made or didn’t make all the calls they made or didn’t call.

John Keyes 1:16:46
So the So basically, using a Star Wars reference, it was from a certain point of view.

George Stallworth 1:16:54
I wouldn’t say it’s absurd. You’ve got different referees enacting their best judgment and in these in these cases, and they’ll give me a referee and as a hard job, I’m glad coach Carlos is online because I’ve seen this man referee and had to make tough decisions and tough calls in fights. So he him asking his question is kind of a full circle for me in that sense. You got three different referees and what you’ve seen is three different fights with outcomes that everybody question and you know, these referees are doing the best that they can do. These guys aren’t they’re just they didn’t get the call on that night and say, Hey, show up, put on a black shirt and do the best. Yeah, these guys are veterans in the game. They know what

John Keyes 1:17:37
I was gonna go ahead you’re saying everything I was gonna say they’re not like Eve Levine or, or you know, yeah, evolving

Ryan Smith 1:17:45
as a professional as well. Let’s not you’re not like a very There you go.

George Stallworth 1:17:49
Oh, come on. Mario. Yaki Sammy is saying I bet y’all miss me right now.

John Keyes 1:17:56
I know okay. Eve Levine was a was not a Very good RAF okay see see Mozza Gotti I would take I would take him

Ryan Smith 1:18:05
No, no I would take no no I’ll take no no

George Stallworth 1:18:07
the music isn’t he don’t want to get arrested for like, No he’s not the was the referee. They got in trouble for like some major crimes

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:18:21
and when are ash Rosenthal?

Ryan Smith 1:18:23
It was Josh Rosenthal

back in 2013 he got busted for marijuana he was he got sentenced to like 37 months for for marijuana violation. Josh rose.

George Stallworth 1:18:36
I thought there were some other charges involved like there was some some major crimes involved in that. I thought, maybe that’s what he pled down to.

Ryan Smith 1:18:43
Yeah, he had like $6 million worth of marijuana with him.

John Keyes 1:18:48
Oh,

Ryan Smith 1:18:51
he was like a mule. I believe that’s what I’m reading. I’m reading snippets and headlines and things like that while we’re on but but the two coaches point You know, that’s what we thought, clearly it’s controversial. What we need in the sport is more is a way to be able to understand the method behind the madness. That’s, that’s the thing is that as a as a, as a casual fan, or even as a dedicated fan like we are, it’s very difficult to understand the decisions that are being made by the referees, and by the judges in these fights. And there really isn’t a way for us to go and say, Hey, this is the way that the rule is interpreted, and that’s why the decision was made this way. And for us who follow the sport who comment on the sport every week, like we do, we really need we need more checks and balances and we need more. We need more guidance as to how we should be viewing this fight because clearly, there’s so much volatility between how one referee refs a fight versus another. We cannot allow a fight to be decided based upon who you have reffing in the moment. I mean, we were joking about her Dean liking to see blood but we know that herb Dean’s gonna let you fight maybe Herzog now that he’s had that whole situation with with Anthony Smith, he’s not gonna let the fight go down now. So you you know you you have that inconsistency from judge to judge and that because I mean, sorry referee the referee and so there are judges as well judges as well, but referee to referee so now that becomes a another opponent that you have in the ring. It’s not just you and the person away from across the ring from you anymore. It’s the ref as well. It’s the judges as well. We need the consistency in the sport. All right, let’s let’s go to the other fight that I was excited. Like we were getting ready to get into we were we were going through it. We were like hey, Uriah Hall versus Ryo l Romero. What kind of an amazing Fight with that beat there is one fight that would be even more exciting than Yoel Romero versus Uriah Hall you know who that would be. Please share with Jon bones Jones versus Francis and ganu

John Keyes 1:21:14
Oh Lord have mercy.

Ryan Smith 1:21:18
You tell me why women want to see that.

You have got

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:21:22
like the single most skilled fighter on the roster, moving up to heavyweight giving so much more power because we’ve seen the john Jones is actually a lot stronger than his skinny legs give away to like, he can deadlift close to 600 pounds. He squats on the regular over 400 pounds like the do puts puts it in in the gym, so we know he’s got some power behind them. Imagine if he’s not cutting weight against the strongest puncher in the UFC, the most skilled versus the strongest like

Ryan Smith 1:21:54
this. This is a storyline

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:21:56
of all things like not backstory, but like this is what you want. Want to see in like stylistically matchup that’s what I should have said before Ryan Ryan hits me but that’s what I’m interested in it’s like willpower overcome here and let’s let’s also know that God has been saying that he’s got so much more he’s wanting to show us Oh he’s never he

Ryan Smith 1:22:17
never gets the chance because the fights over in 20 seconds he doesn’t get to show what he’s what he’s got in his arsenal. Maybe he’s a he’s a heavyweight john Jones

I’m not serious. I’m not

gonna tweeds.

George Stallworth 1:22:44
My thoughts on this fight man, john Jones is too skilled of a fighter to let over in come out. I’m not over him. There I go blue to let him come out and flurry him like that and catch him right off the gate. JOHN is has made a career of avoiding big punches like that. We also you guys don’t get to see it very often. But john can take a shot from time to time. So I don’t see him in Godot every everyone has a puncher’s chance, but it’s gonna take a lot of work for Godot to set up that big shot that he’s going to need to land on General Jones. Meanwhile, john Jones is coming out like a lion in the jungle, stalking his prey, setting him up from the beginning and jumping out of the high grasses, to you know, drop the shots that he needs to own in Ghana. If you go back and look at the john Jones versus DC fighting, he set up that head kick. That is john Jones, prime john Jones, and it’s not even john Jones. That’s his coaching setting. That is his coaching set that up. And God who doesn’t have that same tool in his in his bag, he doesn’t have the same coaching to teach him to set strikes up like that. Now I do understand he’s training with Mike Tyson now, but I don’t understand whether or not Mike’s in his corner going to be there for fun And train him all throughout a camp. And that’s going to be the big difference right? There is coaching that you see in that. So I get fit john Jones all along

John Keyes 1:24:10
to things. You’re right. It’s not john Jones, this that setting up those kills. It’s the winkeljohn staff. That’s teaching because one thing, the beauty about john Jones, john Jones, not only does he have a high fight out IQ, but apparently he is very, very coachable. Okay, you can teach you can tell him to do it. He does it and and that’s what I’ve noticed about him throughout his entire career. He listens to his to his coaches. Now. I’m gonna take uncle Dana’s stance on this is, I don’t know if they really want to see each other in the rink. And I said, I think he says, I don’t think they really want to see each other in the ring. And I’m kind of agreeing with that. They could be just just saber rattling cuz

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:25:02
Now you think about where we’re going, who has left to go in the division and his only shot is to fight for a title shot. Yeah, the other. The other thing is he needs a money fight. This is his money fight. JOHN Jones, john Jones is the division is boring. He could lose the raise if if we’re honest if they run that back. But there’s really nothing else for him to do it that division. And it’s not like they’re going to give him an immediate title shot because DC still in that mix. This is a great introductory fight to you’re finding a high ranked guy. It’s a great introductory into the heavyweight division,

George Stallworth 1:25:41
and it sets up a title shot for either of those two. If he wins, it sets up His title shot, john Jones wins, it’s a pathway to that title shot. And now also the three peat Oh,

John Keyes 1:25:51
there you go. That’s the whole point. Because it’s looking more and more like there might be a stripping in the heavyweight class. heavyweight division. If there’s a stripping in the heavyweight division, it goes down to two fighters. And that’s DC. And I’m in love with a stripper dropped from.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:26:10
Let me see if I can find it. Exactly, no, don’t get us don’t play it.

John Keyes 1:26:17
But if it goes down to in Ghana and DC it’s a it’s a 5050 chance that DC comes away with I’ll give it a 7525 because that 25 equates to that to that bomb that in Ghana holds in his wrist.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:26:32
Okay, I just go here and highlight the john changed his position like from zero to 100 real quick, like this one too. Oh, they’re just talking. that couldn’t happen to Oh.

John Keyes 1:26:43
I’ll take it. I’ll take in that that simple. If they did do it, okay. And I’m saying that if it does happen if dc dc beats in Ghana, guess what’s gonna happen is what I’ve said all along. There will Be a john Jones DC three lovers, lovers final return. Okay?

So these two have unrequited love affair romance that is that is doomed from the start. Mark my words this is how it’s going to happen

George Stallworth 1:27:24
are we getting the conspiracy

John Keyes 1:27:26
dog

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:27:28
yeah we got the we got the X Files playing

Ryan Smith 1:27:32
john john john keys has been on this this there will be a john Jones DC three fight before DC leaves the sport called on it’s been on again off again. I mean every time you say it’s gonna happen it shows that it’s not gonna happen both of them.

John Keyes 1:27:52
I told y’all DC Jones to what’s gonna happen. I told y’all

Ryan Smith 1:27:56
new DC Jones to what’s gonna happen DC three happening is happy

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:28:01
see three will happen right after to be in Ferguson fight,

Ryan Smith 1:28:06
then it ain’t happened.

Hey, so and so, we, we know that john Jones is the single greatest talent in the UFC, perhaps in the entire MMA world. He is, you know, largely considered undefeated, the Matt hammer, Matt Matt Hamill defeat is not held against him. But there’s one place where john Jones is not a champion. There’s one place where john Jones has more ELLs than Lull and that is yes.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:28:40
Oh, Mitch Hedberg.

Ryan Smith 1:28:41
See, thank you. There you go. And that is on on Twitter. And and john Jones, he was answering answering people on Twitter and then he made he made a comment against Chael sonnen, which is not live Don’t you don’t want to play the Dozens with chael sonnen. And so he did.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:29:04
He did take one w though.

Ryan Smith 1:29:06
He has Yes, john Jones has one w that’s the U in Lull. And so he’s like, Who is this has has been now with manboobs making money off YouTube getting hit talking about john Jones. That was him referring to Chael Sonnen and Chael Sonnen. And then because his fans started coming back and saying, Oh, you must be talking about Chael Sonnen and and john Jones affirmed it and said, Hey, it took you about 25 seconds to figure that out. Impressive. And then oh, Chael Sonnen comes in. He’s like guy, you’re the only fighter in UFC history with more mug shots than Al Capone. He says you got more wrecks than evil Knievel, he says you got more gun shots than seal team six. He says you got more booze than David Crosby and Ernest Hemingway sitting on his shoulders. You’ve got more permanent handcuff creases in your wrist. You’ve been handed over were more belts and shoe laces than a convention and Haberdashers. He says you the only ask for more pics from police photographers than starstruck fans. This is Chael Sonnen and just going in on john Jones on Twitter and he says but on rare occasion when a fan asks you for pic Do you give him the side view at a habit? Oh oh if you ever drive sober the networks would cover it live with helicopters

John Keyes 1:30:33
Ah Oh, don’t mess with the American Gangster dude.

Ryan Smith 1:30:37
Then last thing, the last thing that jail said and said is Oh, last thing. Everybody knows you beat this last case by ratting, talking about the picograms

George Stallworth 1:30:52
Wow.

Everything and then at the end of it. Call them a rat,

Ryan Smith 1:30:57
Chael sonnen and for the victory flawless. Yeah, Flawless victory.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:31:02
I mean, not even Martha Stewart rolled over when she was facing time. I’m just saying, right remember?

John Keyes 1:31:08
Remember that

Ryan Smith 1:31:08
was Martha, Martha Stewart to gangster for real? Um, yeah. Last thing and then we’re going to get out of here. Kevin randleman is going to be inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame. posthumously.

John Keyes 1:31:21
Amen.

Ryan Smith 1:31:21
So that’s a great thing. I’m glad that we that they’re doing that.

George Stallworth 1:31:26
Why are you talking about last things? There’s one fight I want to go back and recap on because he’s local homegrown talent. And that is Kevin Trailblazer Holland. Man. I don’t know if you guys got started. Because this fight was on the prelims he fights at 185 I think he got a 39 second finish if I’m not mistaken. Oh, wow. You guys get a good look at that. I

Ryan Smith 1:31:48
didn’t get to watch that fight, but I have

in the past.

George Stallworth 1:31:54
Do keep your eyes on that young man. I really like him and on top But it is is is s talking. His expletive talking

Ryan Smith 1:32:05
Thank you, sir. I appreciate you.

George Stallworth 1:32:07
It’s high level. Yeah.

So you don’t have to go back and find the moment in this podcast where I did that.

He did the timestamp on it. I could give you that too.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:32:17
I’m not gonna lie. I want to drop an F bomb just to see what Ryan would do. In the

Ryan Smith 1:32:24
last episode, of Kelechi on the show.

George Stallworth 1:32:26
hop over tonight. Look at you. Yeah, he fought Anthony Hernandez.

Ryan Smith 1:32:32
Mm hmm. And it’s a 39 second victory.

George Stallworth 1:32:34
Yeah, look at us. Look at those total strikes. 14 zero. Wow. I didn’t know that. Anthony didn’t throw anything.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:32:44
What night was the fight? This was on a Saturday,

George Stallworth 1:32:48
Saturday, man, I’m sorry. Yeah, again, keep your eyes on this young man. 185 Division man and he could probably float down to 170 if he really wanted to.

John Keyes 1:32:58
Nice

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:33:00
All right live in the local town.

John Keyes 1:33:02
So, as far as the candle Kevin randleman induction I implore people if you there’s a highlight reel of every day of the destruction that he caused in the UFC I on YouTube, look it up and also pay attention to Kevin randleman versus Fedora Emily Emily anko back in the pride days off probably one of the best soup back suplexes that you’ll ever see down to a person he literally crunched for door on the mat. So Ivies look that up

Ryan Smith 1:33:36
all right, but still feed or one that fight

John Keyes 1:33:43
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Ryan Smith 1:33:47
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John Keyes 1:33:52
And I am at keys to victory and as keys with an S

Ryan Smith 1:33:56
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Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:33:58
I am at unfetter Joy oh wow

John Keyes 1:34:03
that’s wow

George Stallworth 1:34:04
yeah unfettered joy.

John Keyes 1:34:07
That was that. That sounds like a

George Stallworth 1:34:09
match.com account

John Keyes 1:34:13
or your happiness consultant now is that what you’re

Ryan Smith 1:34:18
what he’s got the dashiki on you know you got to get the love

John Keyes 1:34:23
talking about doctor That’s right. You can’t talk about Ryan okay well

Ryan Smith 1:34:27
I’m not I am I am showing nothing but love for the dashiki Wakanda okay.

And George

George Stallworth 1:34:36
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Ryan Smith 1:34:44
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