Episode 126 – The Death of George Floyd

We are reeling from the events of the past week where George Floyd, a black American, died at the hands of law enforcement. Arms bound behind his back, and an officer’s knee on his neck he struggled to breathe. He died that day. In many ways, so did we, and so we are going to discuss our thoughts and feelings about everything going on. Discretion is advised as strong language may be used.


Ryan Smith 0:08
Welcome to combat sports talk a podcast dedicated to UFC and bellator discussion, the MMA community and combat sports in general. I’m your host, Ryan Smith. And joining me this week is the entire combat sports talk crew. We got malece Casey on Yay, Buchi What’s up? Happy? We got john the keys to victory keys.

John Keyes 0:31
Hey, everybody, Casey, we’ll talk about that later. All right. And yeah,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 0:35
I wanted to redo my whole intro. Can we start again? No, because I didn’t like anything about it.

Ryan Smith 0:42
We are live.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 0:42

Ryan Smith 0:44
yeah, there’s no there’s no going back.

John Keyes 0:47
And we got all that

Ryan Smith 0:49
we got George g money Star Wars

George Stallworth 0:52
Wakanda forever. Ah.

Ryan Smith 0:56
So so you know, we were all sent this your team

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:02

Ryan Smith 1:04
Now what I was expecting like is I’m, um I was expecting to have like, a show about what’s going on and you guys are making jokes and I’m just

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:22
I feel like this just confused Dude, I’m just I am.

George Stallworth 1:27
It’s no confusing. It’s duality. And when you’re, when you’re when times are hard like this and you can’t find laughter or anything else, man, that’s when pain sets in. That’s when sorrow said and that’s when all those things that are leading to a lot of what people are complaining about taking place out in the streets right now, because voices have been on heard. And so I think it’s incumbent upon us as men of stature as men of upstanding moral character. To continue to be men and that means engaging in all aspects of life, whether it’s sorrow, pain, pity, laughter, smiles, all those things. So I can’t, I’m not gonna sit here and lie and say I’m not happy to see you. I’m glad all three of you live well and kicking. So that brings a smile to my face that brings joy to my heart. Because right now, you know, I don’t want to talk about the other things that are going on in my heart.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:24
Yeah, for me, it’s more the the catharsis of finally getting a platform where it’s more people who look like me who understand and we’re gonna dive into something, and to prep myself for that for the heaviness that could be the rest of the show. I need a moment of breathing and, and getting into it, but I definitely understand like, there’s there’s gonna be some seriousness here, like the world is literally burning around us. And I think interspersed in between that, like a stress response is gonna be some some random, like, seriously.

John Keyes 2:56
Okay, so let me go ahead and put it out here. for for for combat sports, talk nation. Tonight’s is going to be a different night. We’re not going to talk about what’s happened in the MMA where we’ll say that for another show tonight is going to be dedicated to George Floyd. Briana Taylor. I’m on Avery, Marie and Aubrey, excuse me, and how we feel about it. We would you know, so we do apologize if you came to for the for the sports talk. We apologize, but we’re not really apologizing because we asked for four brothers here. We have feelings about this and it needs we need to get this off our chest. So we’re Tonight, we’re going to have a what we would call a pure heavy back session, where we’re just going to talk and we’re going to express our feelings about the situation We still want you to watch, okay, because if you got questions, this is the place to ask. Right? If you have, if you have comments, we want to hear it if we want to hear the other side, because we have one side of this. And we want to hear the other side. We want people to engage this, because this is going to be probably one of the safest spaces to actually engage your feelings and lead out so not safe for work. Please don’t Don’t worry, we’re all we’re all confined to home. So no matter. The language is gonna be a little rough tonight. Um,

yeah, I’m so

Kelechi Onyebuchi 4:43
remote and I dare you to say something about it. Like I’ll fight you.

John Keyes 4:49
And we just, and we hope tonight that everybody walks away, a little bit more enlightened than when they were when they first turned us on. That’s That’s the goal. Tonight.

Ryan Smith 5:01
All right. So where do we begin? I’m

Kelechi Onyebuchi 5:09
on fire.

Ryan Smith 5:11
I guess we start with now. You know, tonight so George called me on yesterday and we talked for about an hour. And you know, I was telling him that I had not watched the video yet that I’d only seen still shots of the video because I could not watch the video. And so I happen to be watching the news as the President was, was preparing to speak and they were playing the clip of a clip of the video and in the 45 seconds or so that they had the clip on the air. I was still struggling I mean, I was still struggling to watch the video. I couldn’t watch the video. I I was turning away I was, you know, hands over my face. Yeah, watching the video and and to imagine that that video goes on for what is it six, eight minutes?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 6:17
Or depending on which one it’s 10 Plus, it’s Yeah,

Ryan Smith 6:19

can’t, I couldn’t bring myself I mean, it’s amazing that I can watch a sport where a person can fight and hold another person down, and I can watch the sport of this. I can watch the sport of this. And it doesn’t bother me I can critique it because it’s a sport and there’s there there that but both people are are at a point where they can defend themselves. It isn’t it is not a point where there’s there’s a person who is bound in such a way that they can they can’t move on. And they are being harmed. And, and and i.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 7:07
It, it was it was hard to even engage in the video because it harkens back to that notion that we were talking about before. If I see someone getting beaten down in the street, I got to ride for him. Like I can’t just let them get beat to a bloody pulp. But it’s difficult when you’re addressing a situation where any interaction with an officer can lead to my death as well. But at the very least, it’s an assault on a public officer, right? If I try to save someone’s life, so it puts us in, it put me in this predicament of like, my ethos is I always protect those who can’t protect themselves. But what about how do you protect somebody who can’t protect themselves against like, a harsh

George Stallworth 7:53
person who’s charged with protecting them?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 7:56
Yeah, yeah, that’s that’s what I’m trying to get at like it’s there’s so many different factors that are in play there that it’s watching that video in my heart wanting to go out and be like, Oh, I would totally right. But it’s like no I, I honestly, like, because there’s three other like, we keep looking at the angle where we’re mostly just saying the one officer, but you’ve got an entire four people there like it was the cry to humanity that broke me and I’ll be honest, when my non people of color because it’s not even just non black, but my non people of color friends have been asking me like, where does this all start? It’s very difficult because most of them have not watched the video. And for me, who’s seen it start to finish it all of the angles. I’m having to relive seeing that every single time. And it is it’s, I’ve seen death. I’ve seen people die in front of me. It hurts every time like I have not built that callus within me where I can just see someone passing and especially someone who is literally crying for his mom who just died knowing that he’s about to go see her again. That’s, that’s too rough, like, so, my caution to those who want to know, like if you actually want to know and care, you have to do that work rather than re traumatizing your your friends of color and asking them, Hey, you know that time you saw someone die in front of your eyes? Can you tell me about that several times today? Like, if you actually care about what, like you want to engage in that clip, then you have to do the hard work and stop asking your friends of color to do that work for you.

But that’s me,

Ryan Smith 9:38
and I’m no I didn’t know this. No, this is what this is what it needs to be though. response from from the audience. You know, to my point before, you know, Robert said that, you know, in the sport you can tap out and you can live. Man, that is real. That is he wasn’t given that option, George Floyd wasn’t given the option to tap out. So

Kelechi Onyebuchi 10:07
nobody was

John Keyes 10:08
none of them were. You know, we had a guy that was just jogging. And he was, he was, he was gunned down. I mean wasn’t even gunda he was cornered and killed. We had another woman that was her house was broken into.

And she was shot.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 10:32
I, that one kills me and I’m really proud of Denver in the way that we’ve protested here on the peaceful side, which I will say has not gotten nearly enough press and the love that is shown in the first part of the protest before things get wild. But I love that we did not forget to say her name.

Ryan Smith 10:55

Kelechi Onyebuchi 10:57
she was not forgotten in all of this for as much Like, I’ll get into it later about like the the plight of black women and how their voices get diminished while they’re shouldering the burden of this. But specifically, Brianna Taylor’s bothers me because not only she killed in our own house but now we have to deal with like this. It’s gonna hit on the point of blue lives matter, but the fact that you’ve got her killed in her own house and now her boyfriend being charged with assaulting a police officer, if you break into my house and you haven’t identified yourself, you like anyone like this has happened to me before and I guarantee you, anytime someone has brandished a weapon in front of me, assaulted me has always ended up in the hospital. Always like that’s just what’s going to happen. You can’t charge someone for assaulting an officer when you break into when they have broken into your home or house. That’s like the fact that we had that rally for him to for the DA to drop those charges is mind boggling. So it’s not that, like in some regards, I’ve had people saying like, why don’t why do black people hate the police and it’s I have to be very careful in how I navigate that space because it’s less about hating the police, and more about hating a system that enables the police, these police unions, the district attorney, attorneys that work with them, that you have officers able to kill with impunity, meaning that they will not face consequences, or in some cases, they will face consequences and then be hugged by a judge and receive a lighter sentence than if the average citizen had committed the same crime. So the problem

George Stallworth 12:44
even if they get in front of a judge, Judge to make even,

Ryan Smith 12:50
you may not go to trial.

George Stallworth 12:52
I’d even like to see how many officers who went never went before judge had murdered someone and then others appeal the case with the police union and got their job back.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:04
That’s exactly what happened with George Floyd’s case, like we see this long list of here are the grievances and deaths associated with the officer. He’s fine. We’ll leave him on the force. Like, what are we doing here? Like? So so and so when people hear Black Lives Matter, you shouldn’t hear blue lives don’t matter. What you should hear is that by saying blue Lives Matter, that thin blue line that’s separating the good guys and bad guys, there’s a lot of bad guys on the other side of that line that are not being held to account. And that’s the problem. Like, if you believe that there are so many good cops out there, then why is there a problem with prosecuting the bad ones so that all we have are good cops.

It shouldn’t be that difficult.

John Keyes 13:54
Right? But it’s one it’s one things I saw. I’m sorry to cut you off there, Ryan. If you have 1000 good cops and 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops don’t turn in those 10 bad cops. You have 1010 bad cops. All right as plain and simple. Okay, I don’t care how good you are. If you do not do the right thing and understand when people say blue Lives Matter, always. It irks me. Okay? It’s the same. It irks me almost to the same level of when people say thank you for your service. Okay, and I’ll tell you why. Because Black Lives Matters more to me. Not when you say Black Lives Matter or white Lives Matter. or brown lives matter. You know, yellow Lives Matter. We were born into that. Okay, I was born black. Okay. Somebody was born white. Somebody was born Asian somebody was born Mexican. But I chose the military. Okay, just like a cop chooses to be blue. So when people sit there and say, blue Lives Matter, they do matter, but it was a choice they made?

Ryan Smith 15:13
Well, the thing that I’ve always said, the thing that I’ve always said is this is that when we say Black Lives Matter, we are saying it because of the fact that things are happening to us within our communities that would communicate that our lives matter less because they aren’t treated with the same value. And so we have to remind the society that our lives matter just as much as someone else’s You know, we’ve seen the times where, you know, there’s there’s been a little white girl who’s blond hair and blue eyes, it gets kidnapped, and in a manhunt goes across the across the countryside looking for her, and then a black girl gets kidnapped. And we may see one in the five o’clock news. Photo gets thousands of VC women missing. Like Yeah, and no one talks about and and so we have to remind our society and we have to remind the society that black lives matter. When you respond with blue Lives Matter. In order for blue Lives Matter, black lives have to matter because black lives are blue lives. When you say all lives matter, you black lives have to matter because black lives are included in all lives. Well, not only that,

George Stallworth 16:38
black lives or the lives that are much more disproportionately being put on the line and and coming up short as a result of their contact with the blue. So when we say Black Lives Matter What we’re really saying to you is, we’ve been sub humanized so much right now that we need to scream out and let you know we’re here. That’s all that is. That is not to disenfranchise the blue line that is not to say, other people don’t matter at all, what we’re saying is we’ve been sub humanized so long that we have to scream out loud. We have to cry we have to protest in order to let you know we’re still here. And our lives matter. Don’t Don’t quit stop humanizing us. All right, Ryan and I talked the other day, man, and I really been thinking about, you know, some of the points that you may run. And one of the biggest takeaways that I finally came back with I, you heard me say it about the sub humanization of individuals. And that’s what this cop did. It might not have been a racist intent on his part. But the subconscious systemic racism did exist, allowed him to sub humanize the nature of this human being that he was charged with protecting and caring for not just arresting when you arrest somebody you taking them into custody. custody is a is an actual legal terminology where you are charged with taking care of that individual until they’ve been adjudicated right. And he failed his in his duties right there, because he did not recognize the person who he was dealing with as a human being. And I

Kelechi Onyebuchi 18:16
I kind of take from that. How, even posthumously, he continued to be dehumanized by a DA who refused to bring charges, who brought lesser charges once out crash, like there were enough police that they fully surrounded the officers house to keep him safe. So you thought that his safety was insane. Like the police officers matter. Life mattered that much more than George Floyd. And then on top of that, the system gets even more broken when we look at the initial and he report. The problem is like I am not a doctor. I can easily be talking about Mma chokeholds, I can talk about losing oxygen to the brain. And for the me to not even take into consideration in his initial response, the cause of death, the officer is a part of the cause of death. it’s problematic number one, the number two, if you look at the report that was initially flown, put out in the press, it was a mixture of what the police officer said and what the me said the police officer and the police officer and me so as you’re reading that you start to think, oh, the me didn’t say that. The officer was part of the cause of death. To me never actually says that. And people didn’t read those reports thoroughly because I had my own family coming up to me saying this looks bad to me says that the police officer didn’t cause the death. I’m like, nope, the police said that, that he was talking about heart disease that had nothing to do do with the actual depth. But the police officer report is what keeps getting flooded back into that me report. So the system is broken and meant to appease public and try to de escalate things without. We have to do our homework. When we see information, it is not enough to take the headline, you have to do the work. The media, whether you consider them the enemy of the people, or you just consider them flawed. Their job is to drive clicks and advertisement. They can only at best spurt, your interest, enough for you to go do the work. You can’t be mad at the media for doing what the media does. It is your responsibility to care. And just like I’m asking you to not ask your friends that are people of color to be your African American studies professor. You can’t trust one American news. You can’t trust CNN. You can’t trust fox news to do that work for you. Their job is to put the story In front of you, go do your work. The system is absolutely broken from start to finish. They dehumanized George Floyd. When they murdered him. They dehumanized him when they didn’t allow, when they protected the cop more than they protected his own life. They dehumanized him when the court system refused to do their job, and they continue on with the Emmy examination, start to finish. This is where I have a problem with our system. It is not cops that are bad. It is when we talk about systemic injustice. This is how we show that is systemic. It is not just bad cops. It is a bad system that does not work for us. We do not have a social contract that says if I as a citizen, break the social contract, I have a means of making reparation. The social contract for certain parts of our country means that my very nature of being present is a violation and it’s subject to Death with no reparations, and that is my problem with systemic injustice and the dehumanization of not just black people, but specifically black people in this case, from time to time and time again, we see this the system is broken.

Ryan Smith 22:21
I’m gonna I’m gonna jump in here real quick with with a couple of comments that are popping up from from people who are viewing this and thank you guys for sticking with us as we as we talk through this. This is very raw for us. And so we’re, we’re saying what’s on our hearts and what’s on our minds. This is unfiltered. So, you know, we’re in a very raw place. So to john you know, does that mean because you were talking about the the 10 the thousand good thousand cops and the 10 bad cops. So real comment from from Robert came out and he said, does that mean that black or brown people who don’t turn in criminals are all bad You can’t blame all cops most cops most black, brown and white people are good. We’ve come so far, then law

George Stallworth 23:08
enforcement is supposed to be held to a higher standard than your average citizen. That’s the whole point behind that’s why did the duty behind your oath and those things so when you say hey, you can’t lump everybody into the same thing. Law enforcement officers are held to a higher degree, a higher standard and and have a responsibility as it is totally above that of a normal citizen. These people are supposed to be running to the fire. You get what I’m saying? Can I hit

Kelechi Onyebuchi 23:40
you with a cultural awareness moment on that?

John Keyes 23:42
Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, go ahead.

Ryan Smith 23:45

Kelechi Onyebuchi 23:46
so one of the core reasons within the African American community that we don’t call the cops and that we have a snitches get stitches policy is because of systemic problems. Most people don’t realize this, but Philly for all of its crazy things that are happening right now. Philly have one of a really a fluent black neighborhood like one of the richest in all of America for not just black people, but people in general. The US government dropped a satchel bomb on their own neighborhood. Why? Because the black people who were doing really well there had a drug dealer move in, and the black people called the police. The United States government dropped a bomb on its own people clearing the neighborhood. And not one of those people who had their house destroyed was given any form of reparations. So you want to talk about destroying generational wealth? Why would I call the cops if it could lead to my death and the destruction of my family’s wealth?

Ryan Smith 24:46
And, by the way, hold on. Let’s just make sure that happened in 1985. Okay,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 24:52
yeah, at our lifetime,

Ryan Smith 24:55
it did happen in our lifetime but and and and the crazy thing is, it happened in our lifetime. And I remember hearing about it on the news. I don’t remember it being anything that we talked about. There was no outrage about it.

George Stallworth 25:12
It’s new to me. I’ve never heard

John Keyes 25:14
that see that. Let me Let me blow your mind one more time. And thank you, Colette you for for bringing it out. Because you took you took my thunder there because that’s the second time that the government has dropped the bomb on us. All right. And I Britain the first time which is kind of ironic, and it’s a sad memorial is the black the black Wall Street riots of 19. The early 1900s I can’t remember off the top of my head, but when something Yeah, 1921 I want to say it was was when it happened, but it’s right. Yeah, I guess. Thank you. And that happened this weekend. Okay, back in 1920 Anyone, and they dropped the bomb on what, um, black Wall Street? Because it was it was it was the richest area. It was the richest neighborhood for black folks at that time. And they, for whatever reason was a jealousy. Was it? Um, was it ignorance, it could be a great multitude. It happened. And that’s that they dropped bombs on us.

Ryan Smith 26:29
So now that’s, that’s the thing that we want to keep pulling that thread back on is that, you know, I know for a lot of my friends out there, they see this death of George Floyd as an isolated incident that happened in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That was a bad cop. But now it’s been this period of time. It’s been very unique because you can string this incident to what happened with Brianna Taylor because what is that was that an isolated? Well, the cops got it wrong, they went to the wrong place they you know, you can’t see these as isolated incidents because when you live in this society and you look like me, and these are happening over and over again, I collect you I’ve shared with collection, a collection that I have on Facebook, and it’s basically every time there is a killing of a of a black, usually a unarmed black man, when every time there’s some type of thing that’s happened to black people, I save it away. And I’ve got over the course of about two years 700 or so different articles of places where black people have been wrongly accused who have been had the cops called on them who have had police have shot and killed or be Black people for no reason or what I was talking to George about in violation of our civil rights at the end of the day. When, what whatever happened with George Floyd, when the police were called on him, and they were in the process of arresting him, he is guaranteed a trial by a jury of his peers. They have to give him that, if they don’t give him that they are violating the rights that are guaranteed to us. And it has been guaranteed to us all these years and it keeps getting, it keeps getting violated from us. It keeps getting taken from us. So when we start talking about things like we don’t have equal access to equal protection under the law, we don’t, because many of our people fail to get that trial by jury, as of that point, even if they caught George Floyd red handed he is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. And at that point, that officer became the judge, jury and executioner of an American citizen. And we can’t sit around and allow that to happen. But it has happened. And it continues to happen as we go back from 2020 to 2019. When these things were happening to 2018 to 2017, we’ve gone back now to 1985. And now we’ve gone all the way back to 1921. And once we get to the 1920s, we’re talking about lynchings that were just happening in broad daylight. We go back to the 1800s. And now we’ve back into slavery. And so when you start pulling that thread from six, what is it 1614 or 16 816 1969 1619, all the way to 2020. There is a stream and a timeline of incidents that have been plaguing our community. And so when we say Black Lives Matter, it’s not Black Lives Matter today. Black Lives Matter for 400 years.

John Keyes 30:08
Love me. Well, first of all, let me answer the original question. Okay. If there’s a if it was a black brown cop, if you are you, like George said, if you made an oath, okay to defend the people, you defend the people, it does not matter. Okay? You just you made an oath to do it. I made an oath to the United States to defend this constitution. I defended it for seven years in the military, and I’ve been defending it ever since as a civilian, and I will never back down from defending it because that is what I swore to do. All right. I expect anybody who takes an oath to uphold their oath until the day they die. Even the ones

Kelechi Onyebuchi 30:58
that the FBI has already said that the certain white supremacist groups have been working since the early 60s to infiltrate the police force. And there’s a significant number throughout all branches of domestic policing. Oh, yes. How are you going to expect those people to enforce the constitution enforce local laws when they’ve literally been recruited to do the opposite?

John Keyes 31:25
Well see, then we have to ask the question. All right. Are the laws really for us? You have to ask that question. Is it are the laws, you know, is the constitution for everybody, except for us? And that’s an honest question that we knew weren’t all right, you know, but, I mean, it’s something that we really have to add, and we got to be honest about it. Because if we’re not honest about the answer, we cannot truly fix that the first, the first step to solving it. Problem is an emission of truth,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 32:02
which is hard when any any challenge to constitution to local laws to law enforcement is unpatriotic. Which is strange to me. Because the same people have an artists, military groups, the same people are like, like I’ve got friends who have like a full on military status and they’re ready to pick up arms against the government should they come for us, but you’re big mad that I’m going out in the street with no weapon. And I’m unpatriotic because I won’t just follow the law. You literally marched in Michigan with guns to your governor’s mansion. Today, your record

George Stallworth 32:43
just so you could open a business again.

John Keyes 32:44
Yeah, but people don’t understand that. We’ve been we have been rumbling and rebelling from day one from the jump. Okay, as one comedian once said, America was built on a series of jack moves. All right. Let’s just put it out there. All right. We’ve been rebelling everything. We rebelled against the king, we constantly rebel against each other. And we don’t know when to stop rebellion is built in our DNA that we protest if we don’t like it. And now it’s just to the point now, that and to to, to, to piggyback off of what Ryan was saying is that we, as a people have constantly been abused. This is not a you know, I hate people when they think that we will sweep that this happened. This is an isolated incident happened. And we went straight to Ryan, you know, we tried protesting, okay. We tried kneeling, and y’all told us we shouldn’t do this.

George Stallworth 33:44
Y’all told him that it was unpatriotic exactly as I’m a slight against the military.

John Keyes 33:50
Shut up. Shut up, shut up and dribble. All right. We did. We did. We did it your way. And now y’all mad because As we’re writing people, this is when when, if you if we talk to you at your language and you ignore us, then we’re gonna start talking crazy until it starts sounding like the Queen’s English, which is why I don’t

Kelechi Onyebuchi 34:13
know why everyone who wants to post these, these these means of what is the name Martin Luther King. Oh, he never ride it never looted and he changed.

Go away.

Oh, so now

John Keyes 34:29
we’re gonna make a crack, right? We’re gonna make a crack. I really do. And we love you too.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 34:36
All right, like why isn’t that meme shared of Martin Luther King talking about the riot is the voice of those. Why aren’t we talking about Martin Luther King regretting and saying that his dream was turned into a nightmare. Why aren’t we talking about the fact that he does it alone, that he literally needed the the carrot and stick approach of having a Malcolm X with direct action So you don’t want to listen to quiet. So you’ll catch these hands. You have to find the fact that Martin Luther King specifically chose his routes because he knew that the people he was coming up against were willing to beat children have 14 year old children, beaten, gunned down and attacked by dogs. Like, there’s nothing peaceful about doing that the government didn’t launch cointelpro just because he was peaceful. They knew that he had, he had the whole mass of having that carrot and stick behind him. So to the point where the FBI was literally telling him to kill himself or they would like, if you want me to follow that meme and say that he never read it, he never looted he never processed it and not protested, whatever it was, and he changed the world. You are literally telling me as a black man, shut up and get murdered.

John Keyes 35:49
Is this the same reason that people use that meme? And I’ve seen that meme several times? And I’ve told and I’ll stay It is the same reason that they had that mean, it’s the same reason that diamond and silk are Trump’s Trump’s puppets.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 36:09
Oh word Trump puppets, like, the moment you step out of line Fox cuts you? Oh,

John Keyes 36:15
answer. So the same

Kelechi Onyebuchi 36:16
line around COVID-19 that everyone else on the fox show had. They were the only ones who got caught.

John Keyes 36:27
I mean, we could, I could say some things, but I think it’s a level that we won’t go

Ryan Smith 36:31
so. So. Let let’s let’s, let’s let’s hit on some of the other topics. You know, one of one of the things is the appropriate way to protest because we do see the difference between Colin Kaepernick and how he was villainized by the NFL by fans all across the NFL for kneeling during the national anthem to protest this very topic. That was going on back then. And it continues to this day yet for COVID-19 and the right of access to go where people want to go. We’ve got people storming the state houses armed, standing in front of police officers, nose to nose, screaming in their faces and the police are showing restraint.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 37:24
Because blue Lives Matters somehow except when they infringe upon my rights.

Ryan Smith 37:29
But but that’s the thing though, right is not only is the peaceful protest, whether it’s kneeling at a football game during the national anthem, or marching, you know, in public, it’s the fact that we are not that is seen as out of line if we do that, yet. I we saw all over the country. White people grabbing their guns and going to the statehouse In menacing lawmakers from being able to go in and do their jobs at a government buildings, like these things were happening as protests and they were seen as patriotic, even at head support of our president who said, three Michigan. Those those were seen as appropriate ways to express displeasure with the government, yet a peaceful protest. that disrupts traffic. We’re told run over those people. And in some case, in some cases they did when a peaceful protests disrupt the national anthem, and it doesn’t that effect it didn’t disrupt it. But because it happened during the national anthem, it was seen as you’re misusing your platform that you were given. And so there’s there’s there’s there’s there’s there’s an inequality in our ability to access freedom under equal protection under the law, there’s an inequality when it comes to our ability to express our displeasure with the law. So how do we affect change? If we can’t even communicate in the same way that other people can, when we are unhappy with the laws that exist that are a pressing and affecting us?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 39:22
It’s not a rhetorical question to me. I’m literally posing that to everyone who wants to tell me that this is wrong. Tell me one way that you that you have supported protesting in the past. Like, how is it supposed to be done better? Like, I’m willing to admit that we have two different Americas and that what works for you is not okay for me. So tell me how I can put an issue in front of the nation and you will actually listen without calling me a son of a dog.

George Stallworth 39:53
I don’t. Okay, I’m gonna play the other side of this piece. What we see going on police tality the the the sub humanization of people, by officers, and all out just racism. The systemic racism that’s taking place is not a black people problem to solve. Only white people can solve this problem. And until white people decide that enough is enough, it will never be solved. Plain and simple. We’re sitting here having this conversation. But the truth is, this is not a black folks problem. We can’t fix it. We don’t we don’t have the tools we are not equipped to do is nothing black people can do to fix this. This is a white people problem that white people have to solve. And until they recognize that nothing will be done about it. We will continue to see George Floyd we will continue to see Freddie Gray’s will continue to see Mike Brown’s we’re going to continue to see all those names throughout the years that we’ve seen.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 40:55

man that there’s so much truth in that to unpack I do this thing where I know that people shut down when they start to feel shame. So I want to take a moment to reiterate like wow, while we’re passionate, there’s not a single one of us who who doesn’t have members a people in our lives who, who don’t have the same ethnic background at us as us like, so they’re not coming from a place of hate of malice, and I think it’s okay. And this is something that hasn’t happened a lot for people is to witness black people emoting and not taking it as anger and not take it as like. I think it’s very foreign to a lot of people to see black men emote, and they don’t have a box to put that so so you automatically see anger and take it as fear and and you shut down so for for non people of color out there. Just a reminder that this is coming from a place of love and frustration the two things can simultaneously exists like, this isn’t all white people are bad because I would say that people are bad.

George Stallworth 42:06
Yeah. And that’s not what I’m saying. When I say this is the problem. So that’s not what I’m saying. And I, it is those, it will be those white people who are good natured who have a conscience who want to do the right thing that helps solve this problem.

Ryan Smith 42:24
Yeah, yeah. I completely agree. It’s something that I that I have frequently said. And and and I’ll say it again, and it’s that no right. has ever been fought for and awarded to the minority by the minority. Yeah, in every case when rights have been been awarded to the minority, it has been because the majority has willed it to be. That is, that is that is that is it. I mean, even look at the signature on the bottom of the Civil Rights Act. Is that a black man’s signature? How many black people voted for that? Man? Yeah, fought, we marched. But at the end of the day, the signatures were all white people. And so, no, right? If you look at even women’s suffrage, it was men that had to give women’s suffrage to women.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 43:20
Also, they wanted to make sure that black men had less voting power than white women.

Ryan Smith 43:25
Thank you, thank you for like, for the history for the history test. That was that was part of the argument for women. So

George Stallworth 43:32
we need we need a time here right now. This is your cultural awareness moment. Yeah.

Ryan Smith 43:37
That was part of the argument that

Kelechi Onyebuchi 43:38
she’s not gonna let me be a historian.

Ryan Smith 43:43
But that is the case is that when you look at any point in time, when there was any quality and the society made the decision to provide a level of equality for a group that was oppressed, it came at the hands of the majority And in this case, George, you’re right. This isn’t something that we can we can get the most impassioned speakers, we can do this for generations, and we will never gain the equality that we that we’re asking for. Until our white brothers and sisters say enough is enough. And and this is the this is the conversation that I was having with some friends of mine is that, you know, it, there has to be an identification of our plight internally within the rest of society. You will never know what it’s like to be black, you will never know what it’s like to have that constant fear that many of us have, when we go into places that we don’t know when we have to be asked to do things that we aren’t comfortable with because we’re the only black person there or were the A person who’s never been in this neighborhood before, and we’re trying to find something. But it’s it’s an all white neighborhood. And we’re we’re driving slowly trying to look at house numbers. But there are things that we have in our, in our in our heads that we’re thinking about. Maybe we can talk about that. unpack that a little bit. But the point that I’m getting at is, there is a level of empathy right now that Rene brown talks about the difference between empathy and sympathy, that what we’re seeing right now, this outpouring of emotion that’s happening in our society, and in America right now, is sympathy. Now, when I look at George Floyd dying on that ground, I see the potential that that could be me because I look like George Floyd, because I’m black man like George Floyd. But the fact is, is that many Americans don’t look like him. They’re not from where he was from. They don’t have the background that he has had. And so if they see That that what happened was wrong. It is a sympathetic emotion that happens there. Yeah, what we need in order for us to get to the point where you’re talking about George is we need that sympathetic point to become an empathetic point and, and the rest of America can see themselves being held on the ground, by that way, with a knee on their neck. And the only thing that I can say is is deep, dig down deep in your own soul, and summon up that experience that you had summon that experience of when you were afraid when you thought you were going to die. And now think about that every single day. And if you can summon that image every single day, then you begin to experience what it’s like to be one of us. And if you can experience that every single day and start getting that feeling and getting that together. exhaustion of always being on the edge. And always having that little voice asking you whether or not this is a safe thing to do. Then the next time you see inequality happening, you can see yourself in that moment, and you can speak up and amplify the voices that you’re hearing tonight. That’s what we need you to do. We need you to retell these stories. We need you to amplify and authenticate these in places where we don’t exist.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 47:28
I will say that there is an interesting burden that I I feel like I’m playing the role in some in some case in the statement of protecting but I don’t mean it as a protective type of statement, but for non people of color. I can see how like some of your first thought would be like, well, I’ve been in a class where I was the only white person and everyone else around me was black. That is not the same experience because you still are in the majority culture. There’s an implied power that you have. And if something happens in that class, you are still going to be believed by the police, more so than anyplace else. So at best, you can have an approximation, and I feel for you, but I think it’s there needs to be a caution behind how you see yourself in the empathy. And it’s about feeling that way. Rather than saying, oh, I’ve been the only white person in a place because that’s not the same experience of your skin color can be the thing that killed gets you killed for simply being present. But you still have a power that has not just been granted to you magically. But because of the society you live in sees your body as more valuable. You will never walk in the same space that I walk in. Like you can you have the luxury of forgetting who you are in a space. I’m constantly aware of how my words affect others. I’m constantly worried about my posture. Like, I cannot be seen as more of a threat only because I walk into a space as black. And they’re, like, be empathetic. But don’t try to steal and make the story about yourself.

Ryan Smith 49:13
And I think that’s, I think that’s a that’s a valid point. But I don’t want to create that line, that barrier that says don’t try. Don’t try to empathize. Don’t try to cross that line. Because, you know, if you if you say to yourself that I will never know. You, you will never truly experience it. Yeah, but you can know. Yeah. And that’s the thing is, it’s that pursuit of knowledge what Collette you started saying at the very beginning of this, of this video is the fact that it is incumbent upon you to know, don’t just ask, we’re going to share our stories and we’ve been sharing our stories throughout this hour. But it is incumbent upon you to take it upon yourself to learn on your own, to begin to learn, actually, what happened with Dr. Martin Luther King, and not just what happened in the picture on the meme that has been captioned. It is incumbent upon you to find out who George Lloyd George Floyd was. It is incumbent upon you to understand that history of oppression that continued after the Civil War. And I know what you’re laughing at.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 50:29
And it’s not the right time. I’m sorry.

George Stallworth 50:38
Share, share, share.

John Keyes 50:39
I’m not gonna that’s Ryan’s story.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 50:45
I told you what’s gonna happen, dude.

John Keyes 50:49
That we are, we are down this rabbit hole. gonna hit some shed light and so I’m gonna leave that story. For Ryan Patel, because it’s his story.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 51:04
I want to hug you so bad right now.

Ryan Smith 51:09
I saw you

I saw you smirk and I knew it.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 51:13
This is why I can’t play poker with

George Stallworth 51:16

Kelechi Onyebuchi 51:20
JOHN What you got?

John Keyes 51:22
That’s there’s so much to unpack. I’m

George Stallworth 51:27
gonna say, let’s go Yeah. Ryan Ryan made a statement about getting to know George Floyd. Okay. And I saw a video that vise did on him today. And he talked about his his background in origins he apparently I think he was born in North Carolina but he was raised are spent a vast amount of time down in Houston and to some point became a local rapper, so much so that he was on several of DJ Scrooge’s mixtapes you Got lyrics on DJ screams mixtapes? I don’t know if you guys were aware that

Kelechi Onyebuchi 52:03
Yeah, I’m going back for that. That’s fire. Yeah.

George Stallworth 52:06
Yeah. So you know His voice it will live on in some shape form or fashion. But apparently he also was a pretty good football player from what I understand and yes, I have heard that.

John Keyes 52:20
So, yeah.

George Stallworth 52:23
So some point around 2007 he was involved in I want to say it was the the burglary or a home invasion. When he went to prison for about five years, he got out of prison, decided he was going to leave Texas start over made a move to Minneapolis is so many southerners do they seek to get out of the South because there’s that you know, that connotation that things are a little bit more hectic down here when it comes to race relations. So many of us vacate and head north. It’s what he did. And you can’t get away from this again, this goes back to what I said racism is not a problem that black people can solve. There’s nothing we can do to fix it. It is incumbent upon our white brothers and sisters to take the time to handle this problem. And they don’t even recognize it as the problem right now.

John Keyes 53:13
Oh, I think they recognize it as a problem.

George Stallworth 53:16
Now I don’t think so. The problem right now is looters, protesters and riots. That’s the problem right now you need to go find me a video of someone else talking about George Floyd’s history, background, makeup, his origin things he did in his life. And then let’s compare to how many videos are right now about protesters, riders and everything else. We have totally lost this. And many people are gonna say it’s our own fault, because we’re the ones out doing this. But we’re not. Have y’all seen the videos out of all the bricks being placed in different areas where they know that protesters are going to be

John Keyes 53:49
what about the whole AutoZone I’m sorry, the

George Stallworth 53:52
Dallas Police Department is investigating there right now. It does police departments. We don’t know where these bricks came from. We have no idea. There’s nothing There’s no reason why they should have been been down there. There was some directly across the street from one of the courthouse, not the courthouse but one of the main buildings down here in Dallas. Over in Denton, the same thing happened, where I don’t know square where they were supposed to be a protest going on. All of a sudden, a huge pile of bricks shows up here in McKinney. The same thing happened huge pile of bricks on a corner, where allegedly there was going to be some some protesters. And we keep hearing this theme all throughout law enforcement. I don’t know if you guys know I do have a law enforcement background. I worked probation and parole for 10 years over in Tennessee, specifically with sex offenders. So this this isn’t, you know, something that I can’t speak on and don’t have knowledge on when I tell you about the sub humanization of individuals. I know it because I’ve done it. I’ve been guilty of it myself. You know what I’m saying? But there are some strange forces that play throughout this whole thing, man there There’s a lot of moving parts going on, that a lot of people don’t recognize don’t want to speak on and get a lot of us who are out there protesting, don’t realize it’s taking place.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 55:10
That’s something I want to make sure I put into this particular podcast is, before you go posting something that looks sensationalized, make sure you’ve done the work. I’ve had many friends talking about, oh, a white man was pulled out by a black crowd and killed and then only to find out that he wasn’t killed in that. And in the couple of cases that were brought to my attention. The non person of color had actually attacked the crowd with a weapon whether a bow and arrow whether that brought you or not Nighthawk like

dang it.

John Keyes 55:53
Now Nighthawk I got you I got your collection on the SE Nighthawk is a mortal kombat character. So there you go. Just Native American uses the tomahawk and a bow and arrow.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 56:04
That’s exactly what I was talking about. I don’t know what Ryan’s

Ryan Smith 56:11
but he I think it’s I think I’d love for you to share the story that you were sharing before that you have gone. Are you gonna play my music? No, I’m not gonna I’m not gonna play your music. But so

Kelechi Onyebuchi 56:26
yeah, so I think part of this is also to remember that what you’re watching on the news, I am a big news fan. And I will always I will always go back to that notion of it is your own responsibility to do the work. The news is really just there to get you interested, and you’ve got to do your own work. So on that, like I’ve seen a lot of people talking about what’s happening at the protest, and they’re doing so from behind the keyboard. So it was really important for me that no matter what happens in all of this 2020s history book year like you can’t get over this Man, I know for me my dad thought in the Nigerian Civil War and the Vietnam War, and it’s different when I asked my dad what it was like to fight in the war, than when I asked some other people’s parents who they fled nothing wrong with it. It’s a civil war like yes, flee. But for those who are able to flee, like their stories are just different. They, they don’t have the nuance and the complexity of, of what was going on in real time. So I, as scared as I was based on what was happening on the news. I said, hell or high water COVID Come what may, I’m making my voice heard and my body will be counted. So I show up to the protest. There’s there’s two things that happen. One, I had never witnessed so much love and care from so many people who did not look like me. I live in Denver now. Population wise, if it was all black people, there’d have been like seven of us outside So, to get this crowd of thousand, you know, I’m gonna throw some levity in here was crazy. But so I wanted to make sure that that part of the story gets told. But the other thing that’s really important and why Ryan had me tease this is that I am notorious for having low cell phone battery and low gas in my tank. It’s just I’m irresponsible. Like, it’s, I’m always gonna be. So I pull up on E to the Capitol and I’m like, Yo, I got to figure this out. Get over to the gas station that 711 across from the the Capitol building. And there are always a gang of I won’t call them a gang, a bunch of homeless people that lying around that 711 asking for change and just trying to get by. And as I’m pulling up and putting gas in I’m upset with myself because I didn’t bring my motorcycle and it would have been a great day to bring the motorcycle and here comes a gang of motorcycles. I’m like, Oh, this is dope. So I’m looking at these motorcycles. And it’s these guys who are fitted out in all black tactical gear on their motorcycles. And all of them white. Not Not surprising, again, I’m in Denver, but they get off their bikes, they’re coordinating stuff with each other having these conversations about, hey, we’re gonna meet up, we’re gonna go here. And then a group of them walks over to the homeless people hands them money and says at six o’clock, go back to the Capitol, we’re gonna riot. They are literally paying people to riot. And these are unwell people. But on the news, what we’re gonna see or what we did see is all the black faces that were left from the original, right from the original protest, but that’s interspaced with actual writing happening with people covered up in their balaclavas. And I’m like, hold on. So I literally witnessed people being paid to write. But that’s not the storyline that gets put out in the media. And then I look at like undercover cops who are just really bad at their job. Like I can see your hand you’re wearing. I didn’t see the wire. I’ll go with that. But I did see the handcuffs. And I did see them literally meeting in the middle of the street saying, Hey, where are we going next? Hey, where are we going next? And it was those plainclothes officers who then went back to a peaceful protest that started with prayer. Started with prayer and conversations from babies. It was it was those cops who, who decided that they wanted to be agitators and started pushing back. They’re pushing into the crowd, getting people all excited, and now they’re literally funneling us into a construction area. How does a conversation on protest that starting off with a call to a higher power for peace and love and showing respect to the police? How does that turn into a riot when the people have literally said we are here to support I personally walked up to police and he’s like, I support you, and I want you to do better. How do we go from that to the right, and no one is talking about the piece and no one is talking about the police officers being the agitators. So for the keyboard warriors who are telling me that, Oh, no, this is fake and all these black people are doing the looting. I’m like, show up. If you want a peaceful riot, show up, be an agent of change and find out who’s really doing what.

George Stallworth 1:01:29
I can’t tell you how many videos I’ve seen, like you see it where there are these agents of chaos, appearing out of places today I saw a video of two young women, not women of color, who were out spray painting and doing things and they got confronted by black people. And I couldn’t make out what they were saying whatever. But they basically got chased off. And I remember this the sister who confronted him was like, we didn’t ask you to do that. This is not what this is about. And and no one’s top of that, you know, it’s I don’t know, man.

Ryan Smith 1:02:03
I just,

George Stallworth 1:02:04
I feel like I feel like this. This This issue is being hijacked and led down another path. I don’t know if you guys I don’t know if you got a chance to watch Trump’s speech this evening. He did like a 1015 minute speech. I implore you guys go back and watch that man it to me and all I can do is speak from my experience, but it wreaked of Hitler speaking to a German crowd pumping up his his constituents. Yeah, I mean the things he said he told he was telling his constituents, I will protect you. I will make sure that this is taken care of. And he I mean, it was dog whistling all throughout the speech, man. Go back and watch it if you get a chance.

John Keyes 1:02:52
Well, he is threatening to put to override the governors and bring in the military. If they don’t if they don’t. Do something to handle it. Okay.

George Stallworth 1:03:03
Yeah. Not only that he specifically saying he’s gonna use the insurrection act of what is it? 1987. Okay. And in order to enact military, not just National Guard, regular military on American soul, okay. Good nuts. Oh,

John Keyes 1:03:20
yeah. No, it’s okay. But not it’ll, it’ll be illegal if he does it for it to actually for the insurrection act to actually be invoked. The governors have to ask the president, only then can the president go ahead and do that. hours a man I was apparently legal in a former life. So the way he was speaking,

George Stallworth 1:03:45
I would, I would not be surprised how many laws get violated in order to enact the agenda that he’s setting forth. He’s telling these governors not just to quell this to go out and dominate. He wants a show of force. So strong and the words that he’s using can’t help but incite further violence. My biggest fear right now is that the militia groups get a get a get a get a hair up their butts to try and do something there was another dog was a moment in his speech where he specifically said I will protect your second amendment right that was that

John Keyes 1:04:31
that’s the militia gonna

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:04:33
get like let them fight the military they’ve been dying for a fight all along if you want to co op this movement in the hands of the strongest military

John Keyes 1:04:44
collective they won’t be going after the military. They’re going to be going out to the riders and the looters and the protesters okay cuz the militias will is my biggest fear. Okay and I’m not gonna say that they will be targeting them but as my biggest fear that these groups will plow into the into into the protests doing doing the work of Donald Trump. Yeah, that happened.

George Stallworth 1:05:13
I don’t know if you guys saw it on YouTube or restream for Facebook or something, but someone just stated that another 18 Wheeler just plowed into a crowd of people.

John Keyes 1:05:21
Jesus Christ.

Ryan Smith 1:05:24
Okay, I started looking that up I haven’t been able to find the story yet. So there was one where a tanker truck drove through as protesters were, but no one got injured. I don’t I haven’t found the the FedEx 18 Wheeler store yet so that’s why I didn’t I didn’t put it on there.

George Stallworth 1:05:43
What what happened with the driver of that tanker? It was there anything said on that?

Let’s see, okay.

Ryan Smith 1:05:52
No, I don’t I don’t know. So, you know, we want to go back and reiterate where we’ve gotten Just over the hour, we want to go back and reiterate the fact that the things that we’re talking about is not meant to be in extreme absolutes. Right that we recognize that yes, there are police officers out there who are good who are marching alongside I’ve seen great stories of their being what was I think it was like the chief of police or Sheriff stopping and talking and saying what what can I do right now and they’re like, March with us and he said, okay, and he went marched with him there, that we’re not making absolutes of talking about all police officers. We’re not we’re not we’re not making absolutes and talking about all white people. We’re not even making absolutes in talking about the protesting and whatever riding is going on, that we recognize that at the end of the day, writing is a bad thing. But But what we’re trying to illustrate, especially given the fact that he saw this firsthand. The fact that we have to be able to, to moderate our perspective at a distance of what’s going on on the street level at who is actually creating the havoc that what is being assigned because there are black people who are very upset about what happened with George Floyd, that are protesting right now. And that there are riots that those riots that may not be created by the people who are protesting are being assigned to those protesters. That that what is being given the the visibility is the riot. And when you when you associate that improperly to the protest, then what that does is it discredits that protest. And that takes away the voice of the people who were trying to peacefully protest what’s going on. And you can’t allow that to happen. You can’t be jaded and allow that confirmation bias to happen. You have to do the work to find out what’s actually happening on the street clinic. If you’ve got something to say,

then you know, ah,

John Keyes 1:08:05
okay, I got something to say. First of all, thanks to Adriana Parra, she’s one of our listeners. She sent me She lives in Minneapolis. Okay. And there’s a report here that states that Minneapolis residents are finding incendiary devices and gasoline stashed around yards and alleys.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:08:31
Bam. Come on.

John Keyes 1:08:34
Now this now this is also okay. And let’s talk about what what what happened the first time when they burn the police station down and the night before when they burned the AutoZone down. Now there’s video of a guy that actually did it that’s been identified as a cop. Okay, and that went around busting up in the windows to the AutoZone. And he was confronting and he ran and he basically walked way. The second part I had I want to talk about was the burn the burning down to the police station. I have a lot of problems with that because one thing people didn’t I don’t know if anybody actually watched the whole Riot protest go down, but two things threw me off was one, the cops actually had the high ground, and they were dropping tear gas and whatnots and flashbangs onto the crowd below. And they pulled away from that. Okay, you’re not supposed to pull away from the high ground. That’s a tactically advantaged position. You literally controlled but you could control the entire ride from up there. Secondly, we only solve for cops. Now they did an overhead shot twice. That entire scene. And if you looked into if you actually if you can find that video at one point I play on floor everybody look for it. If you look at the back of the building, because they showed that the parking lots were on fire But in the back of the police building, you saw at least 1010 vehicles there 10 police vehicles, and they were all in a line. Okay, if you actually do the math, there’s usually two two people per vehicle, two officers per vehicle. That’s at least 20 people there. We only saw five at the most. And then they pulled off and then shortly after they pulled off, that’s when they let the people storm, a police station. There is a big problem with that in my opinion. Being that you do not leave you do not abandon a police station police station, believe not designed to be defended. Okay, the only time you abandon a post is if you’ve been ordered to and then and then conveniently, we see a fire start. Now I’m not saying that there’s an agent provocateurs there. I’m just saying that it’s it’s there’s too many things going on to try Cause a riot here.

Ryan Smith 1:11:01
So I want I want to go back to this, I want to go back to that is that is the complexity of us trying to protest that at the end of the day, when we try to have a peaceful protest, it is still there are still elements in our society that would want to try to turn it into something destructive. So what how do you now express yourselves? This is the this is the question that I really want you because I’d like for us to before we wear out our welcome, if you will, I want us to, I want I want, I want you guys to think about that. If indeed, the best protest is a peaceful protest, and in the event of someone trying to have a peaceful protest, there are other elements whether they be associated with law enforcement, whether they be associated with groups that are outside or militias or wherever, you know, and they are going into these places where protests are happening, and they are creating destruction that is then being assigned to the protest. How then does a person protest without having their message obscured by the damage created by people who are not associated with the protest? This is how black lives matter. Got the the label of being a black version of the Ku Klux Klan? I’ve heard so many people say that about black lives matter, because there are people who showed up at a Black Lives Matter Black Lives Matter, rally in protest, and took action in their own hands and were unrelated to the people who were protesting and they did destructive things. And so it got glommed on to the name of Black Lives Matter and it it marred their names And it kept people from listening to the message that they had. So that worked. And it looks like it’s working again, because people are losing the the message in in the damage. And they are using words like thugs to describe people who are not actively engaging in the destructive nature of the of the riot. They’re not participating in that. So this is a complex matter. It’s raw. It’s motional. And I appreciate all of you for sticking with us for over an hour. listening to what we had to say about this. What I want to do is, I want to I want to, I want to I want to let each person kind of have a 30 seconds to just kind of wrap up. George, I’ll start with you. You have 30 seconds of just some How are you feeling right now?

George Stallworth 1:13:56
I’m speechless, but what I do want to say is As far as doing something right now from what I understand there’s a the June July 7 is going to be what what’s termed as national blackout day. And we as a people are being asked to not spend money that day to impact wallets. I don’t you know, I don’t know what the end game is on that. But it’s something that’s out there if you have a chance to look it up, check on it, find out more about it. See if it’s something you’re interested in participating in. I challenge each of you to do that. I’ve got to do my own research on it but i right now employs whips. What can I do actively myself other than get out and protest and Riot? And I don’t want to do that. That’s not that’s not what my head is. So that’s what I’m looking at right now.

Ryan Smith 1:14:48
All right. JOHN Key’s.

John Keyes 1:14:53
You know,

the world is crazy.

All I’m asking is for you to do. What’s gonna what what do the right thing do what’s gonna make you sleep? Go to sleep at night. All right, it’s not that hard to do. Okay, well I’ll take that back. It’s always hard to do right big is always not the time when it’s easy. It’s times when it’s hard it’s when one stand up


very summon up like this be the change that you want to see. All right, is and and learn to salute with the hand like so that not too far to the temple to the temple? Yeah, thank you. They are.

Ryan Smith 1:15:46
So caleche you got your 30 seconds. I can go ahead.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:15:52
As far as tangible things. I’m working on pulling together a list but they’re the tons of resources that are available to you. I think I want to reiterate my statement at the top of the show here is that your friends that are people of color, they want to be there for you, but you’ve got to do your work too. You can’t just lean on us to be your professors here, like, do your work. It’s hard to put all of this in here, but I’m just gonna leave it at that. It’s hard. There’s so much to put in. But do your work is the primary and that’s it.

Ryan Smith 1:16:46
For me, it’s really around remembering the fact that at the end of the day, you have to be the ones To stand up and be vocal, and share our stories and amplify our stories. And and that means you being proactive in going out and making new connections and finding new friends of people of color. Not just the people that you share an eight to five with, maybe not just your neighbor, but be proactive in going out and making those connections that we haven’t had. So that now we see. I always say that our we will always hold on to our private prejudices until we get names and faces for our prejudice. And once we have a name and a face for our prejudice, we will then be able to let it go. And I encourage you that if you can’t see yourself in the George fluids, or the Brent Brianne Taylor’s or the Ahmad Arby’s of the world, then go and find someone so that when you when you see that happen Then you can see your friend, your close friend, someone you care about being that person, because it’s only when you can then empathize with that moment with that person. Because you know someone because you can identify with because it’s in there in your heart, you can then have that conviction that drives you beyond just these moments that are happening right now. That will go into those times of peace and quiet. That continue that you will continue to have that fight. I know that I’ve gone over 30 minutes but at the end of the day, I 30 seconds. Sorry. But that’s the point that I’m trying to make. guys. Thank you for letting me Co Op our MMA conversations that we have every week to have this conversation. It’s it’s one it’s one that has meant a lot to me and you guys have helped me put more words to the emotions that I’ve been feeling have on this and it’s it you know, it’s always something that is true. To be able to listen to the varied perspectives that we have on this. Thank you. I love you guys. Let’s Let’s wrap this up on behalf of George Giamatti, Stallworth, john Key’s Collette he only a Bucci. This is Ryan Smith reminding you to keep your hands up, your chin tucked and throw bombs. We’ll catch you next time somebody

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