Episode 139 – UFC Vegas 9: Overeem vs. Sakai (RECAP)

In a throwback to Episode 3, Kelechi and Ryan were the only ones on the show covering Khabib Nurmagomedov’s memorial MMA tournament in honor of his father, UFC Vegas 9 results, the return of Nick Diaz, trash talk leading into Woodley vs Covington, Paige Van Zant getting COVID, and our picks for UFC Vegas 10: Waterson vs. Hill.


Ryan Smith 0:08
Welcome to combat sports talk a podcast dedicated to UFC and bellator discussion, the MMA community and combat sports in general. I’m your host, Ryan Smith. And joining me this week in a throwback to what it was a combat sports talk three. It’s just Casey only a Buchi. I like like I don’t even say like, it’s just you, but it’s like, it’s only you. You’re the only run on the show. JOHN Keyes is off tonight. Coach is beating people up in the gym and won’t be here. So like,

Unknown Speaker 0:43
yeah, this is like always,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 0:45
I’m liking it. I think the energy is gonna be real different. I’ve gotten so used to john and his conspiracy theories of being the whole reason. I’m just like, I’m listening to this, like a listener like, what is happening right now. So I will do my best to fill in those conspiracy theories that keep everyone interested.

Ryan Smith 1:05
All right, well, I do have the music queued. Remember, for those of you playing the combat sports stop drinking game, when you hear the music, it’s time to take a drink. So, Casey, before we get started, let’s talk a little bit about some things that happened this past week. So we didn’t do the show yesterday because of Labor Day. And the previous week you were here in studio, or our last episode, it was great to do the show with you in studio.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:34
We’ve got to do that more often. I’m sure that make it back to Texas, because and just the energy of being in the studio and all the stuff that goes around it. I will say that my fight IQ went up just spending time with Coach to oh my goodness, really? practice some of that. Yeah, I I wouldn’t call it practice so much as voluntary beat down, like coach work. So here’s the thing. Everyone talks about, oh, you come to Colorado to train at altitude, right, so that your lungs get better. I didn’t make it a full round with Coach. I was like, all this altitude training was for not oh my goodness, that paste, that paste that coach keeps It’s wild. I loved it.

Ryan Smith 2:17
Now you also did some other things. So coach has mastered the use of the mace and I got to see video of you doing the mace work. So tell me about you doing the mace.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:28
So the mace work was weird, mostly because I assumed with the mace that it was gonna be a lot like carrying dumbbells around. But the balance that has to go in with this was, was next level. And I think just as a first timer. getting used to the movements was different. But a great way to really get stretched out to start a session. I couldn’t imagine ending a session like that. But what I loved about it is how coach translated all those movements into an actual fight. Right. So I’ve been to a lot of training camps before where like your stretching and your pre workout stuff. It just felt like you’re going through the motions. Like there was an old football coach who was like, This is what you do before you practice. Whereas like coach had me work with the mace and a couple of other instruments that were 100% directly related to movements I would have in fights and I was like, and this is why you’re a coach like this. I would recommend it to everyone. I was hoping to see you out there. But since you’re essentially close by hopefully one of these days coach will get you out there to the gym. It’s a it’s a great environment.

Ryan Smith 3:38
Listen, I’m gonna tell you like this. I live close to coach. I don’t live to where I don’t live close to where coach works. Coach works all the way on the other side of downtown. I’m not like I tell people that you know where I live the end of the world like I have no reason to go go past like george bush. Like, no, I don’t go south of george bush Turnpike. If you guys know Dallas. Dallas has Dallas is a little bit of concentric circles at the very top of the DFW Metroplex. You’ve got something like three AD AD through after three ad you have 121 after 121 you have george bush Turnpike after George Bush Turnpike your keep going south you’ve got 636 35 sorry 35 Yeah, you got 635 like I don’t even know the name of the freeway anymore. Like I live that far.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 4:34
you for real? Don’t go down.

Unknown Speaker 4:36
I don’t know that. 630 I was like, I don’t even live there and I know.

Ryan Smith 4:40
Yeah. 635 Yeah. So then you got to go down past Northwest highway past. Like, what all Rogers like you like you are going. You’re going so far south that the prevalence of people speaking Spanish goes up dramatically. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. I’m just saying you’re damned. Near Mexico.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 5:02
For you, for you. That’s not unfair. That’s like I mean yeah, I made the drive both from up to Alan down there and from Arlington to there, and oh my gosh, the traffic is on bearable.

Unknown Speaker 5:16
Yeah. Wow. I make it. Yeah.

Ryan Smith 5:21
No, no, I was gonna say I only go down there maybe once or twice a year that far south. Now granted, living up here. I live basically in Canada, but you know what I’m saying? It’s like, I only go that far south down close to downtown, once or twice a year and most the time I’m driving down to Houston on one of those trips.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 5:41
Fair. Now, I will say that there was one more super important thing that happened for me that week. Last week.

Ryan Smith 5:48
What was that?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 5:49
I finally got to got to meet your mom. Haha,

Unknown Speaker 5:54
you did? Oh,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 5:54
my goodness. I was hoping for more embarrassing stories that I could bring to the show. But one of these days. I think we got to have her on as a guest guest speaker because she was she has a ton of fun.

Ryan Smith 6:07
Oh, yeah. Well, thank you so much. And it was it was awesome to be able to have you be able to meet. Have her be able to meet you because she’s been wanting to meet you for so long. All right, we have caught up. Let’s talk a little bit about mixed martial arts. Let’s go to our number one story of the day and that is going to be our headliner. The number one thing I want to talk about.

Alright, this is the headliner, this is where we talk about the number one thing I want to talk about and tonight that is the fact that habibollah mirga medoff is going to have a an annual mixed martial arts tournament in memory of his father, abdomen app. nurnberger medoff. And so he is going to starting on Wednesday it looks like at the arena vyner Uzma Nova gymnastics Palace in Moscow, Russia. He is going to have a tournament and MMA tournament to to honor his late father and this is really awesome because of the fact that in daga Stan, Habib’s father is one of the pillars of the fight game there and everything that Habib is bringing to the ring started off with his father and that connection between Habib numurkah medoff, who is currently 28. And oh, he’s on track to finish undefeated at 30, which is where he says he’s going to retire. And he is literally one of the most dominant lightweights ever to enter the ring.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 7:43
Yeah, I mean, I love everything about this and the fact that his father is such a pillar to the community and meant so much more to more than Habib in his family, but to everyone around them and how he changed the face of MMA as a practice there in Dagestan. It’s, it’s beautiful, and it’s, it’s sad in the fact that we know that this is just another one of those things shining towards this is the end of an era for how the like, he’s gonna get to this 30 and oh, we hope not gonna see him again. You know, long, presumptuous,

Ryan Smith 8:19
I’m sure a lot, right? Yeah.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 8:22
Um, but either way, he’s getting close to the, to the end of this. And to seeing the way he’s been so dominant all around it for me, this is just another one of those. Wow, I can’t believe we’re not gonna see some of these dream matches that that would have been there. But I’m also just, it speaks to the character that not only Habib had, but his whole corner, and how much they truly ride for each other, that they’re going to be able to pull this off. And I would love to see some way for the UFC to honor that. To add to that honor, and to build on that legacy somehow.

Ryan Smith 8:59
Yeah, me too. And and, you know, the thing that I was thinking about is maybe if this becomes big enough, then perhaps we might start seeing a, you know, a rival promotion someday. In front, you know, emanating from this tournament tournament that’s taking place in Dagestan. Who knows?

Unknown Speaker 9:19
Yeah, and

Kelechi Onyebuchi 9:20
I love that this is just another one of those like, hobbies. It was never about the money for Herbie, he’s a true sportsman. And now that he has the money rather than than wasting it and being flashy, he has no intention of being Connor he is 100% have been through and through. And this is just another way to be martial arts has always been about respect and honor and self mastery. And this is just another feather in his cap.

Ryan Smith 9:47
There it is.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 9:50
It’s almost like I plan to be spontaneous. Yeah, yeah. But just another way of showing how Habib is all about the honor and the true roots of martial arts being mastering yourself and showing honor to others and what better way to honor a man who just changed the game that then put this together so I have nothing like Normally these stories work better when there’s like playing the dark side and the light side but yeah, I refuse to speak ill of that family

Ryan Smith 10:19
well we don’t want him to. You don’t want to get that email that that cut or that text message on your phone send location, like,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 10:26
throw my phone in the trash. I’m sorry. Yeah, number you’ve reached it’s no longer in service. Please try your call again.

Ryan Smith 10:38
Yeah, one word comes on the screen it says Smash. Alright, well, that is our headliner. Let’s go into the official decision.

This is the official decision. This is where we’re going to talk about the fights that were on Saturday night, we had UFC Vegas nine overeem vs Sekai Saturday, September 5 2020, at the UFC Apex Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. There were five fights on the card, Brian Keller her face off against Ray Rodriguez and kill her defeated Rodriguez via submission at 39 seconds in round one. You know, this is one of those times where it’s just when you have when you lose via guillotine choke in 39 seconds in the first round,

Unknown Speaker 11:33
bro Yeah, the run that back.

Ryan Smith 11:34
I mean, you got your head caught on the wrong side of the body like you like. Yeah, these are these are rookie mistakes when you get caught by that choke that early in the fight?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 11:45
Yeah. But it happens.

Ryan Smith 11:47
Yeah, it does. And and is it Brian late? No, it’s a different Brian. All right, Andre, Andre, moot. mooneyes. defeated Bartos for being ski via submission armbar at 242. In round one, you know, this is what every one of these fights ended. There were no decisions in this card.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 12:10
The antithesis of the last card, like gotta like this. Oh, that does that kind of my word, antithesis he made. It is the complete opposite of the

Unknown Speaker 12:23
last car.

Ryan Smith 12:25
Well, you know, if we had if we had john on here to do the to go and look up the definition. We will we will not consider antithesis the word of the day. Because I think that you have a bigger word in you

Unknown Speaker 12:42

Ryan Smith 12:45
All right. Michael Pereira defeated xlim ima Diaz via submission rear naked choke at 439 in round three. Now, Michael Pereira is calling out Jorge maza doll, or the BMF. title. This is what I was frustrated about is that the BMF title should just go away. Like

Unknown Speaker 13:07
didn’t exist.

Ryan Smith 13:08
It’s not a real title. But people keep talking about it.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:12
You can’t be the baddest dude on the planet. If you just got beat. Like, right, logic doesn’t hold. Yeah, especially uzman is the BMF. I don’t care what anyone says if he’s in your weight class, and he beats you. You will no longer the baddest. That’s just logic. Right?

Ryan Smith 13:34
Now. Here’s the thing is that we I don’t know if we’re going to talk about it later tonight. We may end up talking about it next week. But Jorge master doll and Nate Diaz are planning on running this fight back and and Dana White said the BMF title will be on the line like why Hi How?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:56
Ah, also if you beat a DS once in life, has anyone lost to a DS twice? Like they’re pretty easy to figure out? Well, technically Connor did. But that’s a whole other story. Connor

Ryan Smith 14:08
Connor lost the first time because he got choked out Yeah. And then he

Kelechi Onyebuchi 14:13
still got beat But well, you know,

Unknown Speaker 14:17
that’s because I disapprove of Carter.

Ryan Smith 14:21
All right in the CO main event, open st prove I’m not even gonna

Kelechi Onyebuchi 14:35
disrespect you on that one. That was really well played.

Ryan Smith 14:39
Ovid, st proof defeated Alonzo minnifield via kayode straight up knockout at 407. In round two, that was a beautiful strike.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 14:51
It was a beautiful strike that he almost It was his height advantage that are actually his reach advantage that one on that because that was about to be a double knockout if Merrifield had been just a hair faster and a little bit longer, but shout out to OSP because honestly, you know me, I pick against him every time except for this one. I got I got the finish wrong, but I did get that he was gonna finish.

Ryan Smith 15:18
Right? Well, you know for me because he’s my fraternity brother. I I have to pet him every single time. Like I have to pick him every time. Like I don’t like, and I feel bad because I’m shouting out ovince St. preux and I’m wearing red, but you know, it’s bad but still. Yeah. You know, like,

Unknown Speaker 15:38
we all know fraternity brothers on the store. Know

Ryan Smith 15:41
should there be

Unknown Speaker 15:44
for your sake there should be a purple and gold one. Well, that that will

Kelechi Onyebuchi 15:47
actually that was mine, too. We were both purple and golden fraternity. Just very different fraternities.

Ryan Smith 15:53
Yeah, like you. You were purple in yellow. You were purple in yellow. You weren’t purple and gold.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 16:02
Don’t you ever? disrespect? I will come back to Texas. I’m flabbergasted. And yellow. Get out of here.

Ryan Smith 16:13
Yeah, you you were you were a mixture of you were violet and yellow. You weren’t purple and good. Anyway, I’m not gonna lie.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 16:20
Y’all could beat us up. So I’m not gonna talk.

Ryan Smith 16:25
Anyway, ovince St. preux he got pulled it out. It was a slow fight like Alonso mesophyll. Like when he when he he threw punches in bunches. He looked good. He landed some good strikes. He was in control. The problem was was that he was content to allow ovince st proved to run his game to do his thing. And as a result of it, he ended up cat get you know, getting caught by this left hook inside left hook from a southpaw. And that you know, that’s that did it man. So I mean, it was it one hitter quitter.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 17:00
It’s weird for me on the OSP side, because as I was saying, I feel like just that week with Coach kind of raised my fight IQ. And I’m watching that fight for more of a coach’s perspective than then a just particular fan on this. And what I kept seeing is OSP stands really, really tall, you can always read when he’s about to read a kit, throw a kick, because he pulls his shoulders back, and sands just a little bit taller before he kicks so you can kind of read that coming if you’re watching his full body. But beyond that, what I noticed is because he’s standing so high, he never actually gets off the center line when you rush him and he rushes straight back and gets really high. That puts him in a spot where he only has the fence to back up to. And once he gets to the fence, we’ve all seen that OSP can’t fight off the fence. So I’m thinking as a fighter, if I’m going in against OSP, all I have to do, I don’t have to connect, I just have to keep rushing towards him. Because we saw with minnifield with one shot, one shot one shot, you’re not going to be able to beat OSP because he is still a big guy, especially at 205 he looked really good, you’re not going to be able to just beat him with one punch, you’ve got to you got to rush him to win. So maybe we’ll get coached to to weigh back in on that. But it’s just, I think it’s it just speaks to, to me to ospw needing a new corner who’s able to give him some new techniques because it’s easy to read what’s happening with with him.

Ryan Smith 18:36
You know, I can’t dispute that, you know, the results don’t necessarily lie. When you when you look at what OSP has done in this past, let’s say five outings. Um, he just starts so slow, and he does stand up and he does rely on that kick that he throws. And I just would like to see him much more active. He’s got a lot of strength, you know, that Vaughn flute choke, he is able to he’s able to get that in there. Right. Like, yeah, he can land that. So let’s see some ground game. You know, let’s see some diversification with your grappling. You know, perhaps what are the things it is is that it’s him? Maybe he doesn’t have the the cardio.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:18
We saw that in his last couple of fights where cardio is a question. So I didn’t even think about that. But even in this fight, he was for no reason slow. He should have dominated that fight given how much bigger he was the NFL, how much stronger he was the midfield, and he didn’t win. He didn’t dominate the fight. He was a really good counter puncher at the end. Right. All right,

Ryan Smith 19:44
in the main event. Yeah, in the main event of the evening, Alistair overeem defeated a gusto Sekai via TKO at 26 seconds in round five. This fight really probably should have ended in round four. I mean, But you know, he went on into round five the ground and pound that that that Alistair overeem was executing was brutal. Like the short arm they were calling it post elbows. So he was posting up on on sockeyes head and then dropping that elbow and it was sounding like like that. I mean, it was just

Kelechi Onyebuchi 20:21
the jewels on it were not great.

Unknown Speaker 20:26

Ryan Smith 20:27
yeah, it’s kind of one of those things where it was like a Mr. Potato Head. Every time he landed an elbow, the face rearranged into another configuration. Like it was just bloody and then bloodier and bloody so it’s almost like action Jackson. Oh, okay. I kind of see I can’t make that one. Because coach, Coach and john keys are here, you know? So, so I

Kelechi Onyebuchi 20:52
know that was a reference for somebody else cuz I’m like, Alright, buddy.

Ryan Smith 20:56
All right, so I’m gonna I’m gonna catch up real quick. I’m gonna catch you up real quick. So action Jackson was a movie in the 80s starring Carl Weathers, aka Apollo Creed.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 21:08
Oh, I do know this because we had a guy on the football team and call to action Jackson. Okay.

Ryan Smith 21:13
I’m back. So So this part of the movie surrounded this car. And the the commercial that they kept showing in the movie was that the car was hot, hotter, and then hottest. And so in many ways, Augustus Sekai His face was bloody, bloodier, bloodiest, bloodiest. There it is.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 21:36
Oh, my goodness. I this card is weird for me, because you know how I feel about OSP you know how I feel about overeem? Yeah. And to have the CO main and main both, both one Bye, guys. talk so much trash about? Yeah, but I picked both. So,

Unknown Speaker 21:54

Ryan Smith 21:55
Well, I’m one in one because I picked ovince St. preux and then I picked Sekai to cod was doing great to Kai LAN did a lot of damage. Um, as the fight went on, he began to fade. One of the reasons where he may have may have explained his fate is the fact that he says he has several broken ribs that hindered his performance against our overeem. And I think I can see that several aka more than one.

Unknown Speaker 22:23
I mean,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 22:24
I’ve had bruised ribs and I couldn’t imagine going to fight over with bruised ribs much less broken ribs.

Ryan Smith 22:31
Yeah, that’s and those things don’t heal easily right. That really sucks but

Kelechi Onyebuchi 22:36
I will say sockeyes boxing game looks really really good. He pummeled well, even with his his muy Thai game was pretty strong to like, his striking was was impressive to me, because the first round was trashed. I feel like we should have thrown that whole thing away. It was way too much feeling out. But once he figured out his range and was able to get inside on overeem there wasn’t too many. There weren’t too many exchanges where it was just two shots and moving out. It’s the guy stayed off the center line when overeem would attack. And when he went in for Sekai went in for his own attacks. There was always budget punches in bunches he was going high, he was going low. He was mixing up really well. And his hooks were slipping in just inside the guard of over him. So I really thought he was going to be able to wear over him out. The difference maker is overeem is such a veteran. He’s been in the spot over and over again. And he’s able to weather a storm, like no one else. He doesn’t get panicked in those storms. And I think that that’s that veteran experience that always gives them the edge.

Ryan Smith 23:42
Wow. Wow, you know, that’s there it is. The, um, the other thing I want to talk about is, um, I’m looking, I’m looking here, I just got a note. Okay, I got it. I didn’t know I just got a note from the audience saying that they couldn’t hear you. So I’m looking at all my settings. I’m like, wow, you can hear but we just got resolved. So we’re all good.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 24:13
Alright, so everything I said was prolific.

Ryan Smith 24:15
No, no, no, no, you were heard. It was it was? No. Okay. Anyway. So let’s go ahead. And let’s not close the book on this one just yet because I want to I want to mention a few other things that I want to talk about about this fight. Derrick Lewis was talking much smack during this fight in one of the tweets that he made. He said he gave a fight around 10 to seven to a gust of Sekai because overeem talks too much smack. And, okay, and and so a overeem fired back at Derrick Lewis for talking crap during the UFC Vegas broadcast. overeem also said that he would have no problem running it back with Jared Enzo Rosen struck who split ovaries lifts With one punch right at the end of a fight, he said that he destroyed over a juror Enzo Rosen struck and so he would, he would, he would run that one back and I would like to see

Kelechi Onyebuchi 25:10
him gently disagree. I feel like Rosen struck Wednesday hands down because too much of the first the first two rounds were basically Rosen struck saying I don’t want to get knocked out and giving way too much deference and respect to over him. When when Rosen struck, finally took took the onus of like, Alright, it’s the end of the fight. I might as well do something. It was a game changer. It was done. I don’t believe that overeem can can handle the flurry from large fighters. I just don’t think he can from punters

Ryan Smith 25:44
overeem basically had the chill sun and fight we’re going to talk about Chelsea Manning near the end of the interview. But remember, Chelsea won and fought the great Anderson Silva beat him up for four and three quarter rounds and then ended up getting choked out at the very end of the fight. This is the same thing with Alice overeem. He beat up Rosen’s truck for four and a half, 4.95 rounds. And then in that last few seconds, he gets hit with one strike, splits his face knocks him out and to walk off victory. I don’t care.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 26:20
Here’s where I go with that. Since you chose that analogy. Do you ever believe that there’s a scenario where trail could be silver?

Unknown Speaker 26:30

Kelechi Onyebuchi 26:32
Oh, well, then we can’t talk. That’s ridiculous.

Ryan Smith 26:34
Well, it was in the it was in the first night. It was in the first fight. Chill one, chill one, all four rounds. He was on his way to winning the fifth round. And then he got choked out.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 26:48
And the rest of history shows that you believe the child could have won in a subsequent fight.

Ryan Smith 26:58
shale could have won that fight what you are, what I’m saying is you’re like, Is there ever in a war in a war? Yes, that was a perfect example had he stood up and I’m scooping myself but if he could have stood up, because he knew he only had one minute left, he would have won the fight. He would have been he wouldn’t need wouldn’t have needed Chris Weidman to finish a finish Anderson Silva twice because he had done it. You know, it’s it’s crazy, because perhaps Anderson Silva would not even be in the conversation as goat. If chels son and would have just stood

Kelechi Onyebuchi 27:36
up. We got to get back to this one. We will get back to this one. All right,

Ryan Smith 27:41
let’s close the door on this one, put it back on the shelf. Because this cart is history. Let’s go into finding the angles.

This is finally ankles. This is where we talk about the headlines that are making waves in the UFC world. The first one that ever I don’t know if everybody’s talking about it. People are talking about Nick Diaz. His manager says that he is 100%. And he is planning to fight again. Early 2021. Do you even care? Not

Kelechi Onyebuchi 28:20
even a little bit? He’s been largely irrelevant for way too long.

Unknown Speaker 28:28
Well, plus, the Diaz brothers aren’t known for dynamic game planning.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 28:35
So I’m not sure as we’ve talked about, like we’re in a new era of the UFC and it’s all about fast, dynamic fighters who are who are great at every aspect of the game. That does not in any way. Describe the Diaz brothers. Why should I care about this?

Ryan Smith 28:52
Well, you know, you are in the minority, because people are jumping at the chance to fight Nic DS right now. Right? That’s Yeah, yeah, it’s a money fight. So that’s why people care. oddsmakers already have odds on who they think will be the first person to fight. Nick Diaz when it comes back to the UFC early 2021. Here’s the list and the odds. Let’s see which one you would would bet on. You got Jorge masvidal. Jorge mastered also plus 300. Of course, that makes sense because Jorge is already beaten Nate Diaz. You got Robbie Lawler. This would be a good throwback fight. You got Robbie Lawler and Nick Diaz fighting each other. Of course, people want Conor McGregor to get in against the big Diaz brothers like the Billy Goats Gruff. You already beat the little billy goat. Now he wants to go against the big one. You got Carlos Condit, which is another great throwback. Going to have you know, you know this, this elite boxer and ground guy versus a elite Muay Thai guy, Mike platinum, Mike Perry. Add plus 700 you got Darren till at a plus 800 and then Anderson Silva at a plus 900. So who would you put your money on? Of course, Anderson Silva’s already fought Nick Diaz both of them had their fights. They were both popped for for drugs. One for steroids other one for for marijuana tablets. You can guess which one would you put your money on bear

Kelechi Onyebuchi 30:27
for? The only fight that makes sense is Jorge mask at all. It’s It is the only one on the list. So I’ll do a quick rundown of it myself. The Robbie Lawler Robbie’s career is clearly on the decline and he doesn’t have the starpower that warrants that money fight. The other one you’ve got is Conor McGregor. Conor is looking for the real big money fight. And this could be close but Connors ability to negotiate has been mud of late to lock in the right kind of contract is going to take way too long. I would assume I’ve been wrong before but it’s lawyers that would hold up that that fight. Carlos Condit old, Mike Perry. Probably going to be in jail. Like I mean, I hate to be callous about it. But let’s be for real he is not on a track that would that would show him to be available early 2021. He is not in jail, on a serious note. should be in some form of rehab. Like I think that that would be a better fight for him as to fight for himself. Darren till I feel like he’s gonna be on to bigger and better things than just this. This one fight like he’s he’s had a skid but his starpower just can’t be tarnished. I don’t know what it is. It’s like the Cowboys uh, the 2000s. No wins to show but people still love them. I don’t

Unknown Speaker 31:58
want that.

Ryan Smith 31:59
I don’t love the Cowboys.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 32:03
Yeah, but as far as brand power, like for some reason you didn’t like the Cowboys to start so they’re not

Ryan Smith 32:09
we know. You said they don’t they don’t win but people still love them. I’m like, I’m not one of those people. I love that they don’t.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 32:18
They’re diehard cowboys fans who

Unknown Speaker 32:22
stuck with the

Kelechi Onyebuchi 32:24
stick with the process. There are three stages of the game Jason Garrett. What. Anyway, back to UFC and then the last piece here is Anderson Silva. That’s another dude where I think we’ve seen the last of important fights for him. It’s it’s I don’t think that Nick Diaz restarting his career with somebody who is ending his career is the right move.

Ryan Smith 32:48
I think that’s fair. The only thing that I’m going with is Darren till because Darren Till’s asking for the fight top contenders Darren till and Leon Edwards call out Nick Diaz after return announcement. So uh, basically during till said, If Nick Diaz wants to come back and scrap who’s the biggest star, buy, invest fight for him outside of middleweight champ. That’s me. That’s who so Darren was there until says, Hey, he would he would take that fight. He take that fight at middleweight. Which, you know, that would be an interesting one because that would mean Diaz would have to cut last but but there until is such a big guy. I mean, I think it’s fair to call him the gorilla. Because in welterweight and at middleweight, he is still a physical specimen in the ring against those other guys and so I don’t think it’s a good fight for for, uh, for Nick Diaz to come back and face Darren till perhaps the other person who is you know, you know, there’s a show Dana White searching for a fight. The only guy that I know right now who’s searching for fight is Leon Edwards. Nobody wants to fight this dude. Nobody wants nobody wants that smoke.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 33:57
Yeah, if I was Nick, I wouldn’t want that smoke either. Yeah, you got to come in with somebody different. Yeah.

Ryan Smith 34:04
And because I mean even Jorge masvidal Jorge monsters I won’t fight him and and and

Kelechi Onyebuchi 34:10
mouseman early remember how lucemon would literally be after a when begging for a fight because everyone kept pulling out and didn’t want to fight them? I think Leon Edwards is on that same train where camps have seen him and they know he’s a problem it and as much as we talk about fighters being game for any fight anytime, anywhere, that’s not real fight cancer, are looking for that Conor McGregor easy path to victory.

Ryan Smith 34:36
Well, the thing is, is that Nate de Leon Edwards, let me go, Leon Edwards. Yeah. has a problem trying to get it. He tried to he tried to, to hit at Jorge motspur. doll’s sense of pride. He’s like, Listen, you could have fought number three, because currently, Leon Edwards, I believe is ranked higher than then Jorge masvidal that you could have fought number three, but instead Ed, you went to fight number 12, which is, which is Nick dia, Nate Diaz. So it’s like, he can’t he can’t even shame a person into the octagon. And so Charleston in in talking to erawan. He says Leon Edwards does everything right, except make himself interesting. This is a conversation I really tried to get people into on the intelligent defense discussion group on Facebook. You guys aren’t a member of the intelligent defense discussion group, join it and get in on the conversation. The reason why this is something that is a throwback to what you and I used to go round and round about is what is the responsibility of the UFC to make their fighters interesting, and to get those fighters bigger fights with bigger paychecks against more interesting opponents. Leon Edwards desperately needs someone to make him more relevant in the UFC and it’s just escaping him right now.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 36:00
So what do you do with that though? Like, you know, my stance is that what’s the point of having a marketing team if you can’t make your at least mid tier fighters marketable? I think it’s the job of the UFC to make this happen. But that’s me like you just like he’s done his to me. I feel like the counter is like, oh, as a fighter, you got to do your job in the microphone. You’ve got to be on social media. You’ve got to do all of this.

Unknown Speaker 36:27
where his he failed.

Unknown Speaker 36:30
Tell would say to be exciting, but

Kelechi Onyebuchi 36:32
he’s on the mic. He’s in the mix. For all of these Twitter beefs. What more What more do you want from a guy?

Ryan Smith 36:38
Well, what Charles said was not to be exciting, but to show that you have power. Like what happened is he called all these dudes out, and then he didn’t get the fight. Like you what you need to do is you need to jockey for the fight behind the scenes. And when you know you’re going to get the fight, then you call people out. Then you call them out and say, Listen, I want to fight for him as well. But you’ve already had a talk with more a master those people, you already had the contract that you know, under negotiation, like that’s how you start doing it. And then you show people that you’ve got that pole, and then they believe you but unfortunately Leon Edwards is literally in the position of begging people for fights. Now, he is ranked like number three and welterweight and he is begging someone anyone to step in the octagon with him. And he’s gonna end up having to take like a Santiago Ponce an EPO or he’s gonna fight somebody, which is a risky fight for him. Yeah, a low file a low a low ranked fighter where either he’s going to outclass that person and he’s not going to get that lift that he wants or he’s going to get beat and then people are not going to give him any you know, they’re gonna not gonna give him any credit for all the fights that he strung together so far. So it’s a it’s a lose lose situation for Leon Edwards. And and the thing that he’s going to have to do really is you’ve got to add PR to your team. It’s great that you’ve got a Muay Thai coach. It’s great that you’ve got a jujitsu coach, it’s great that you got a wrestling coach, now you need a PR person.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 38:10
Or you need the PR people of the UFC to do their job. I mean, even without that, even without that, because that’s that’s a controversial thing for me. I’ll go to the other controversy, that should be a drinking game for me. And that is, why does Why don’t the rankings count for anything at all? in the UFC? I get this point we should stop ranking fighters because it literally means nothing. It’s not your pathway to the championship. It doesn’t guarantee you a next fight. ranking is literally meaningless within the UFC at this point. If you’re number three fighter is asking for a fight because no one will fight him. Your rankings mean nothing.

Ryan Smith 38:54
I don’t disagree with you. Yeah, I completely agree. You know, I even went so far as to try to redo the ladder. Remember, we wrote the Yeah, we wrote the blog. There’s a blog that we wrote, uh, you know, what was I forgot the title of the blog, but we wrote a blog to fix the ladder because the ladder doesn’t mean anything. And fighters. Fighters need something to for them to understand where they are in the championship picture. Ultimately, you need to be every fight either needs to be defending your position on the ladder, or moving up the ladder fighting someone to allow you a better shot, a better claim for the title. And so if you don’t get either one of those, which is what’s happening for Leon Edwards, then what do you do Who do you fight? They owe him three fights a year, but if no one’s gonna sign that contract. Where do you go?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 39:51
It’s, uh, I don’t know, maybe human. Huisman have to get get a little powwow together and say, are no better way of saying that is maybe Smith and he and Edward should get together and just have this this council meeting to decide like what does it look like to have a path forward when no one will fight you because he’s been was stuck there for the longest literally couldn’t get a fight had to take anyone did he fight ponza nibio last minute in Brazil or someplace where

Ryan Smith 40:20
he was supposed to fight ponza nibio and ponza nibio got injured, which then someone else got injured, he got to fight up to Maya. And then because Kobe Covington wouldn’t take the wouldn’t take the the widley fight, and he got to take he got to go in and fight Woodley, beat Woodley, and now he’s at the championship. Um, that’s the only thing that Leon Edwards can do right now, to be honest, is Leon Edwards, this is your key since you are unable to gain attention via social media via your fighting and the beast that you’re having. Either in the octagon or outside the octagon, the what you have to do is keep yourself healthy. Keep yourself weight on on point, and hope and pray that someone has to bail out of a fight. That’s, you know, that’s a you know, like Gilbert burns did like it when Gilbert burns came down with COVID-19. If you were ready, then you could have potentially came into that fight and fought uzman for the title wasn’t as big a

Unknown Speaker 41:24
fight a lot more sucks.

Ryan Smith 41:26
Yeah, wasn’t as big a fight for you know, wasn’t as big a fight as the Matador fight. But if you were ready, and you were all you’re already ready for for the fight, then then you would have you would have had an opportunity. So you’ve got Woodley, and Colby Covington coming up. I hope you’re getting ready. I hope you’re Trent training sang in the wings right now. Because if Woodley comes out, or if Kobe Covington comes out of this fight, then you have an opportunity, potentially if Woodley comes falls out to fight Colby Covington, what great, how great would that be? So let’s talk about Woodley versus Kobe. Covington. We know that there’s bad blood has been brewing for months for years. Colby Covington

Unknown Speaker 42:10
you thirsty bro?

Ryan Smith 42:14
Oh, just like I’m watching you drink and it’s like you’re lit this Right hand, left hand. I watch it empty and then you fill it back up again. And you’re like, me like dude. Like how much look you thirsty?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 42:33
You should see my Tinder Oh, wow. As the young people say.

Ryan Smith 42:39
Any okay? anywho? Um, Nah, just like, at first I’m like, okay, it did I just keep like, you’re gonna hear badminton. It’s funny cuz you’re like on one side, and then you switch hands and you drink. Like

Kelechi Onyebuchi 42:55
Like, this is why I was a fan of audio only because there’s a lot of crazy stuff that normally happens over here.

Ryan Smith 43:07
All right, so so you got you got a lot of bad blood between Woodley and Colby Covington Colby Covington is finally needing to get into a fight because he wants to another crack at uzman. But Woodley is making his

Unknown Speaker 43:22
another crack jar. Yeah, right.

Ryan Smith 43:26
Woodley is kind of had his precipitous fall because he lost to uzman. Then he lost to Gilbert burns. If he loses again, it’s going to be questionable, questionable about whether or not he is going to be able to survive in the welterweight division, because there are a lot of people who were coming up that that would would then see Woodley as easy pickings if he if he can’t win this fight against Colby Covington. Now, one of the things that we have here and this is this is a story that’s from from MMA mania, you know, I like those guys. It says Tyron Woodley will risk a two point deduction to land a growing shot on Kobe Covington.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 44:09
That is one of the best things I’ve ever heard. And I know it’s not sportsman like and I talk all of this. MMA is about honor. Whatever, throw that out the window, do it. Oh, why? Where does that even come from? That doesn’t even sound like real news.

Ryan Smith 44:28
It’s true. It’s in his quote. He says on Instagram Live. It says I will let my hands go you and you fans telling me Let your hands go let your hands go. I need to let them go. You have that You have my word. I will let these hands go. He goes I’ll let them go upside his head. His body. I might even punch in the sack or the warning bap. I’ll take a warning or even a point deduction. I feel good guys.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 44:57
overcompensating Lady doth protest too much. I think we’re gonna see the same calculated Woodley, who is trying to counter strike, and is going to get absolutely worked by Colby Covington.

Ryan Smith 45:13
Well, don’t go ahead and make your pick right now. But, um, because what you don’t know, is that Woodley says that Jorge masvidal is helping him prepare for Colby Covington.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 45:26
I saw that like, talking about the respect that they’ve had for for a long time. And how these guys are, are throwback. And as Tyron was putting it, it’s good to have somebody who’s constantly asking you, how are you doing? What’s your weight? How are practices going and all of that? I mean, sure, I can get to that you’ve been in this game long enough that some of these fundamentals go away. But at the same time, I don’t know that that’s going to be a difference maker because he’s been in this game so long. It wasn’t just about his cardio, it’s about his fighting mentality. I don’t think anyone’s worried about his training other than maybe a little bit on the way cuts. It’s your fighting style is old. Doesn’t work in this new world.

Ryan Smith 46:12
I’m gonna quote my friend Sean Smith. I know he didn’t coined this phrase, but he says it all the time. And this, my friend is three dimensional chess. Or hey, mastodon is not helping. Tyron Woodley, Jorge masvidal, is plotting in the event that he has to fight Tyron Woodley, he is planting himself in Tyron Woodley his head that this is strategic, because think about it, they’re fighting in the same weight class, the chasing the same goal.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 46:46
Your training partners fight each other all the time.

Ryan Smith 46:50
Yeah, but remember, Horia Maxwell is out for himself. He’s not helping people. not helping people

Kelechi Onyebuchi 47:00
know St. Jesus is actually not all the stories coming back from the gym. he’s not.

Ryan Smith 47:06
He’s not helping people. So that so the fact that he is trying to, to befriend Tyron Woodley, this this. If I was Tyrone, I would be suspect. I’d be like, why are you helping me? Why? Why you want to know how I’m doing? Why do you want to know about my weight? Why do you want to know all this stuff? That I would be very suspicious if I was Tyron Woodley.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 47:30
But there are calls with that within the UFC, there’s still just good blood that happens behind closed doors, where fighters do call each other and say, hey, you’re about to fight this guy that I barely be or was beaten by. Here’s some of the things that we saw on training camp that you might be able to exploit. Like sometimes there is just enough Bad Blood against somebody else that people come out the Woodworks to ensure that you win.

Ryan Smith 47:56
What the red flag that raises for me is that Jorge masvidal wants to see Tyron Woodley back on top. Why? Why?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 48:09
Yeah, that is a counterintuitive.

Ryan Smith 48:13
Yeah. I mean, does it is it because Tyron Woodley is a winnable fight for him at all. Because, or him at all? No. So if Tyron Woodley goes back and gets back on top and is able to beat, you know, a commodity uzman that’s a winnable fight. It’s a bad matchup. You know, maybe that’s what it is. But I’m just saying that there doesn’t seem to be any benefit outside of his hatred. For Colby Covington that Tyron Woodley and Jorge monster don’t have anything in common. Like they both hate Colby Covington. That’s about it. I don’t know that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Unknown Speaker 48:50
Yeah. And if

Kelechi Onyebuchi 48:55
I know it is hard to say, because I see what you’re saying in this three dimensional chess piece. But let’s be real. Woodley is not going to be above St. Jesus at any point for the rest of his career. Well, just isn’t gonna happen. So I don’t know all the things that play all we can say is definitively is there’s bad blood between Colby and the rest of the division in general. So I could see why people would team up with hey, here’s how we can get this guy completely out of the picture.

Ryan Smith 49:33
Okay, well Camaros Minh says Colby Covington would be the best and possibly worst case scenario for Tyron Woodley. Um, I don’t know how it can be the best case and worst case at the same time. But, you know, um, he says it’s one of the worst because

Kelechi Onyebuchi 49:48

Unknown Speaker 49:49
Well, it says, Yeah.

Ryan Smith 49:54
Well, I’m just I’m just reading through the quote, he says, I think this is the best and possibly worst case scenario for Woodley as far as time matchups, I think this is probably one of the worst stylistic matchups for him, after coming off back to back fights with guys that love to pressure him. You know? He’s not really saying what makes it a good case scenario, other than the fight that you finally get to fight the guy you want to fight. There’s no best case scenario here. And that’s the crazy thing about what he was saying, right? It’s like, it’s the best and worst case scenario. But here’s the worst case scenario apart.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 50:33
I feel like there is a good best case here. So you’re looking at Colby Covington, who is really stepping up his striking game, but he’s not an elite striker. And you’ve got a kobika Tyron Woodley, who loves to fight off his back foot and as a great counter striker. So you get you get the pressure of of Kobe going in striking because he really doesn’t want to wrestle with Woodley, I wouldn’t imagine. Well, he doesn’t want that wrestling.

Ryan Smith 51:06
No, I think he does. I think Colby Covington will take the wrestling with Tyron Woodley. You know what, what, what newsmen went on to say is on the positive side. Tyron Woodley knows how to deal with South paws that he angles off and guides them to his big right hand. If If Tyron Woodley is going to fight this an OSP kind of fight, then it doesn’t matter what you do, because Colby Covington is going to be in grappling range, he’s going to be inside of your punching range, and he’s going to be beating you up with dirty boxing. It’s going to make this into a street fight. He’s going to grapple you he’s going to exhaust you. And by the time this thing is over, Kobe Covington may just got out a win if he’s not able to finish Tyron Woodley, you know, you know, just on just on merit of the merits of the fight. I don’t like this fight, or Tyron Woodley based upon what he’s done in his last few fights. Three to four years ago, fight. Two years ago, this might have been a fight But after seeing what he did with Kemal uzman and after seeing what Mr. Boozman did with Colby Covington, and how Kobe Covington was game to stand in, bang, the whole fight even with a broken jaw. And then Tyron Woodley lay an egg against Gilbert burns, who’s also a really good striker and a good Grappler. Like, I can’t see how this is a good matchup in any way for for Tyron Woodley. But we’re making our fight picks in two weeks. Let’s go on. It’s interesting because you know, we have found a way to fill the time by the way. I’m so so we’re going to speed up a little bit. Dan hardy says George St. Pierre’s record inside and outside the cage. makes him MMA goat. I think that’s a bit of a homer because, of course, Dan hardy thought George St. Pierre, he didn’t fight. Demetrius Johnson. He didn’t fight Anderson Silva. He didn’t fight fate or Emelianenko. He didn’t fight. Who else? or been in the conversation for dope.

Unknown Speaker 53:05
And he’s like,

Ryan Smith 53:06
yeah, if I didn’t have these guys in fight my goat, which is hoist Gracie. So you know, you only fought one of the people.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:17
I just feel like the language around go has to get more precise because this, the metric of greatest of all time is just too malleable. Like each person makes it into their own definition and there is no strong. Here’s the case. Like, it’s really hard to build a case for it. I think more accurately, he could say that inside and outside of the ring, George St. Pierre changed the game and set the bar for what it is to be a champion within the UFC.

Ryan Smith 53:45
Yes. I think it you can say most dominant welterweight in UFC history, you could say some of these massive accolades like,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:54
but even with that, like those records are starting to get caught on the number of victories. And does that change because someone now who wasn’t who just just fought last week from Denver, Colorado, Neil magny, starting to catch up on number of wins in the division like Neil magny and GSP are on on the same level. Right? Who’s having that conversation? So, like,

Ryan Smith 54:21
but but that goes to the fundamental, fundamental argument that I make about this conversation. Remember, for me, I’ve got this rule that you have to be a champion, you have to win in the octagon, just to be in the conversation. But now you What did you do for the sport that is transcendent? What is it that you did for the sport that goes long beyond your career, and although George St. Pierre has, you know, rose to this level of status in the UFC? The fact is, is that George St. Pierre is only remembered for the fighting He didn’t really do anything that transcends the sport that fundamentally changed the sport.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 55:10
Thing his gymnastics work and his recovery

Ryan Smith 55:13
is gymnastics. I mean is what gymnastics did we ever see him do? Like it’s great that he’s got some some Instagram Live videos of him doing gymnastics at TriStar. But at the end of the day, George St. Pierre out wrestled people. I mean, strategically he was a great fighter. And by the way, I’m one of the big I’m one of the biggest George St. Pierre fans like, but I just I just won’t give him the goat status because I want to start looking at what his contribution to the sport was. versus someone like hoist Gracie. It just pales in comparison. Both of them were multiple time champions hoist Gracie did it in a time period when you had no time limits you had no weight classes and and and MMA was basically a wild wild west. So you know it’s it’s those types of things and I got into this with with with with coach, Coach Carlos. You know we got into it a few weeks ago where it’s like once you start looking at the fact that when hoist Gracie was winning Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gyms and Gracie Jiu Jitsu gyms were open up in neighborhoods all over the world. Yeah, that’s what happened. And so it’s it’s, it’s it’s that kind of thing. We’re now Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fundamental skill that you have to have in your arsenal if you want to be a legitimate fight. And that all goes back to UFC one, UFC two and UFC four. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 56:44
So I think that’s fair. So yeah, so can argue with it.

Ryan Smith 56:48
So So anyway, let’s continue. Uh, john Jones moving up to heavyweight? You got heavyweights licking their lips, Alistair overeem said he would love to fight. JOHN Jones, it would be an honor if he were able to fight him. I think that that would probably be an honor that you will not enjoy Mr. Alistair overeem cuz ain’t nobody gonna fight you. Right?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 57:10
It’s a great fight. I think just because over him his kickboxing abilities and his fight IQ. I hate that I hate that guy. Like, I want to like him because he’s, he’s got the right package of like, respectable fight knowledge. Lots of great work on his ground game. And even past championships, like he’s got it all there. But there’s just a couple of things that I just cannot like about him. But I think it would have been a good matchup and but it’s only a good matchup for overeem it’s not a john Jones wins nothing from that. No, it doesn’t move him up the ranks it doesn’t. It doesn’t move the needle for anyone other than over a man who’s trying to help them out.

Ryan Smith 57:55
Yeah, the thing is, john Jones naturally needs that title shot right off the bat moving into the heavyweight division, because that is where the hype behind john Jones is the highest. Any other fight for john Jones, other than Steve Emile chick slash Francis inconnu. Um, is is a dangerous fight for john Jones because we don’t know what the outcome is going to be. So unless you give him the Tunis up of tuneup fights, so that he can keep that hype going and heavyweight, it you have to give him the championship fight and Curtis blade agrees. He goes it would be childish to complain about john Jones getting a title shot. Why? Because john Jones number one is the most dominant light heavyweight in the history of the UFC. And the fact that it’s a business and it’s gonna make tons of money if john Jones gets an instant title shot. Oh, yeah. If stupid male chick because I still believe a stupid meal chick is going to fight for instant Garner. Next, if cpbl chick fights john Jones after that, assuming that he wins the fight. A sea bass coach says that steep pay would shut down john Jones and heavyweight because he moves like a middleweight. His boxing would be the key. I don’t agree. I think john Jones takes him down. I think john Jones

Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:14
like I was stunned like, what? He moves like a middleweight. Yeah, no.

Unknown Speaker 59:21
Come on down.

Ryan Smith 59:22
Look, unless the middleweight is is like how do I Nelson?

Unknown Speaker 59:30
Oh, my goodness.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:33
Like I get that you got to be a homer and you got to go hard for your boy. But you got to also be realistic when people stop listening.

Ryan Smith 59:39
Yeah, yeah, it’s ridiculous,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:42
middle way.

Ryan Smith 59:44
Now, we also we also talked about the fact that Brock Lesnar is a free agent, and could be returning to the UFC Of course, Dana White said he would be willing to entertain that. But Chris Jericho, the paragon of virtue, is a is saying that Brock Lesnar isn’t really a free agent. He’s got a strange love affair with Vince McMahon. We had an opportunity to get Brock Lesnar back in the UFC. We were super excited a year and a half ago to get him back. And he basically just used the UFC as a bargaining chip to get a bigger contract at WWE, so I’m not buying it. You can you can. I won’t believe that that Brock Lesnar is anywhere close to coming back to the MMA world until I see him in the USADA pool the pool for testing you can jump in there anytime soon. We knew this dude would sink like a rock. You know, I bet in Russian one time he was he was my Uber driver. He says that he swims like a shoe floats for a couple seconds and then sings like a rock that’s that is that is Brock Lesnar

Unknown Speaker 1:00:51

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:00:53
the thing was for me as I’ll keep harping on the same point of the game is past people by there’s no way that Brock being outside of this for so long can keep up with today’s heavyweights. He’s just the game is different. It’s no longer about who’s the strongest heaviest puncher outside of Francis and gunner. That’s that’s just not a recipe for success. And yeah, we can say he’s a great wrestler and all of that, but let’s be real, it’s cardio. Like he was exposed against Cain. He doesn’t like taking damage, and he will take damage against these bigger guys.

Ryan Smith 1:01:27
Yeah, and he’s 43 years old. let’s not let’s not let that go like Brock Lesnar. Yeah, you know, I mean, Brock Lesnar and I are the same age but in athlete Yeah. In athlete years. He is old. Yeah. Hey, a couple other stories that I wanted to touch on. We can we can go through this really quick. Dana White as the ex Best Buy employee who ordered the TV feed to the UFC security team. You might remember we talked about this a few episodes ago. That’s um, her name is summer. tipasa SATA. Raka. I got that right. I got that right, dude, there’s trice this bump,

Unknown Speaker 1:02:06
virtual fence bump. This we did

Ryan Smith 1:02:11
he, so Dana White said that after she got fired for for entering into a physical altercation with a potential thief, which is against Best Buy rules. So those of you who want to want to rob a Best Buy, I know that the staff is not going to tackle you unless you’re in Hawaii. Um, he. He added, he added her to the security staff and he says, if you want to cause trouble at the UFC, know that you’re gonna have to deal with summer. So I thought that was a great feel good story.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:02:38
Yeah, every now and again, Dana White has these moments where I can’t hate him. And this is one of them.

Ryan Smith 1:02:45
Yeah. I’m Paige Van Zandt. Remember she’s going to bare knuckle FC. But those chances are currently at risk because her husband has COVID-19 and she is asking the internet. If her symptoms indicate that she who lives with her husband in the same room. And they weren’t wearing at least the video he’s in the background. If she has a she has COVID let’s get this in your head here. He she is on Instagram saying, you know, her husband started to feel sick, tested positive. She immediately went got tested came back negative The next day, she started getting sick and having worse symptoms every single day. She feels terrible. Um, she needs some advice. Do I have COVID or something else? I have 102 fever and tons of other symptoms. Um

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:03:48
It is always a great place to get your your metal advice. Hey, oh, if you’re in

Ryan Smith 1:03:55
a house with someone who tested positive, let’s do that. Let’s do the public service service announcement for Paige Van Zandt.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:06
Ready? Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:08
All right. Here’s your public.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:04:13
Toby, no way, way way. But okay. Okay. Wait, what? Why is that? Oh, you’ve got to go back and watch some of his quarantine videos. I’ll send them to

Ryan Smith 1:04:22
you. Okay, okay. All right. Amazing. Okay. So So here we go. page. If you are living with someone who has COVID-19 and you come down with symptoms, and one of them is fever and body aches and all these things in the middle of summer and you’re living with someone with COVID-19 chances are even though when he was tested and your test came back negative, you can still get the disease from this person, the very next day, or the

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:04:57
day after sound like one of these governments uncontrolled sheeple. Don’t you fall victim to this? COVID not even real.

Ryan Smith 1:05:06
She’s asking she should get tested again. Yes. If you got symptoms and you feel sick, you probably have it. Now,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:14
actually, I wouldn’t even get tested just assuming you have it. Like, what’s the point that your husband has? You’ve got it.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:22
transitive property exists?

Ryan Smith 1:05:24
Yeah. Why ask the internet? Like, yeah, I don’t get it. Why is internet you probably have it. Let’s just

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:33
paste this code of her promo. She’s staying in the news. We’re talking about her. So PR team is working.

Ryan Smith 1:05:40
Take Notley on Edwards, get COVID go on Instagram.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:45
The views expressed by Ryan Smith do not necessarily reflect the views of God booty or subsidiary podcast.

Ryan Smith 1:05:52
Want to send a shout out to Ricardo Lamas. The bully he is officially retiring from the MMA Of course he had a bad showing I believe in his last fight. And he says I’m out. It’s been a long time gotta

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:06:06
find a good graceful way for people to retire in MMA cuz when you leave on a loss, it’s just so it feels wrong. But to leave on a win, it feels like Why are you leaving? There’s I feel like MMA is just in this unique

Ryan Smith 1:06:21
knurled Well, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I got it wrong. He did win his last fight. unanimous decision.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:27
Sorry. Oh, there you go.

Ryan Smith 1:06:29
I’m sorry. I’m sorry, Mr. Lamas. I’m sorry. Don’t. Don’t Don’t come find cholesky He’s the one who

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:06:39
wait a minute, hold up.

Ryan Smith 1:06:41
Wait a minute. Okay, it’s my bad. I was I was wrong. He did win his last fight.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:06:48
But isn’t really a good way to end a career in the UFC when you’ve been there forever.

Ryan Smith 1:06:53
On a win, I mean, I’ll never forget when Chris Lytle won his last fight and it was like I’m out guys that was it. That was my solo shot. and away you go, you want to win you want to get that last win. And you know, he says it becomes a like an addiction and you just keep chasing victories and you know, you want to walk out with a victory with your hand raised and and that for him. Last couple of ones. Chell sudden reveals the key reason behind his fifth round downfall and the first Anderson fight. Basically, he lost track of what round it was, and how much time was left his corner didn’t yell out to him. You got a minute left and so he didn’t take those you know, he didn’t take the easy way out. So he didn’t play conservatively at the end.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:07:47
What was his reason for not winning a title after that? Uh,

Ryan Smith 1:07:51
well, he only got one other shot after that. And, and the next outing didn’t go very well for him at all. Against Anderson Silva. It was a very bad, very bad thing. I think the height got put on a clinic. So um, last one, Michelle Waterson and Angela Hill are now serving as the new UFC on ESPN 35 headliner. They are that is also known as UFC Vegas 10. Of course, the main had headliner which was supposed to be Glover to share a vs Tiago Santos Glover came down with that COVID and so, Tiago Santos had to have his fight canceled, they elevated the CO main event, which was Michelle Waterson versus Angela Hill to, to the to the main event. So, Angie overkill Hill

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:08:42
marketing, it’s gonna be weird.

Ryan Smith 1:08:44
Angie overkill Hill, gets the gets gets the nod for her first first televised headliner.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:08:53
I mean, more power to her. I mean, she’s come from a mighty long way.

Ryan Smith 1:08:58
She has, she earned my respect and that’s hard to do.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:09:04
Facts where I struggle with this is the UFC is this might actually end up hurting both Michelle and Angela just because of how poor the marketing for UFC is. I think when it was Glover and Santos there was almost no talk and now they’re gonna have to try to hype this up to to get more eyeballs on it. And I just feel like the UFC marketing doesn’t have a lot when when there are women headlining they don’t do a great job of storytelling.

Ryan Smith 1:09:35
Well, they don’t because they continue to try to go to the the more physical attributes of the female fighters in order to try to get attention. They haven’t once again done a great job to your point of making these fighters interesting on the merits of their skill and their capabilities. And unfortunately, people like Michelle Waterson and Angela Hill aren’t necessarily big talkers. That can really gain attention. Neither one of them is good people. They’re just good people. I mean, I think Angela Hill is cool because, you know, she’s a bit of a nerd, you know, and it’s like she’s she’s like the BlackRock San Mateo fairy who is fighting in the next fight

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:10:18
like a pro podcast out here with a teaser and in the show,

Ryan Smith 1:10:23
well let’s go ahead and let’s go ahead and look at that card. This is the fight card.

This is the fight card. This is where we look at the fights that are coming up this weekend UFC Vegas 10 also known as UFC Fight Night 35 I prefer the Vegas 10 moniker than the fight night 35 this is Waterson vs. Hill Saturday, September 12 2020. At the UFC Apex arena. In Las Vegas, Nevada. There are five fights on the card. You got Kyle Nelson vs. Billy Corrine tillow you’ve got Ed Herman versus Mike Rodriguez. Andrea KGB Lee versus the happy warrior. Roxanne mana fairy. Go Roxanne. I know you got this. Ottomans.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:20
That’s all I got.

Ryan Smith 1:11:21
Okay, I was gonna say. I was gonna say you go for it. As a tar versus chama worthy and in the main event of the evening, Michelle the karate hottie Waterson versus Angela over Hill Hill. We’re gonna pick we’re gonna pick the the main event only for this fight. So who you got Michelle Waterson or Angela Hill.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:11:50
Angela Hill, mostly because I feel like Waterson style. Angela if she rushes I just stylistically This is Angela’s fight.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:04

Ryan Smith 1:12:06
I mean, I kind of feel like all this hype and that I’ve done them Angela Hill, I gotta pick Angela.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:12:10
You have to you can’t hop off the train once you just got on. You got to stay on at least for one star. It’s Michelle Waterson though. Michelle Waterson is fickle when it comes to finding these victories some days she has other days it’s just like what what did we just watch? With the way Angela is fighting now you can’t afford to have an off day.

Ryan Smith 1:12:38
So so I’m gonna say this. I’m gonna go with Michelle Waterson I don’t hate me, Angela Hill for not believing but I’m gonna go with Michelle Waterson on the virtue that Michelle Waterson fought a tough fight against yo j chick that Michelle Waterson is a great kickboxer. And I just feel like this is a this is a huge test for Angela Hill. I you know, in my heart I’m hoping that she wins. But if I’m going to pick with my brain, I’m picking Michelle Waterson because I think that Michelle Waterson keeps us from being a grappling match. she’s a she’s still a relatively strong fighter. I think that having done such a great job against you landing on the J chick she’s still lost by decision, but she lost by decision.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:13:25
She lost by decision. Would you decide to put something extra on this? Nope. I don’t bet. Listen, man, if if Angela Hill wins, you won mace not even boxing. One mace session with Coach

Ryan Smith 1:13:42
as long as coaches willing to bring the mace up here. I’m not driving all the way down south

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:13:49
to do your passport, you’ll be alright.

Ryan Smith 1:13:52
Shoot my passport don’t eat any more work anything right now because of COVID. So I don’t even think I can get salka 635

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:14:01
just to get down there you got to go through to customs agents.

Ryan Smith 1:14:04
So so I’m picking Michelle Waterson just on the virtue of the fact that her past performances in her past opponents are are tougher fights than what Angela Hill has faced. This is a great test for Angela Hill. If she wins. I’ll be the first to celebrate her next week. But I think Michelle Waterson comes out on top by decision at UFC, Vegas 10 balls on social media on Instagram. I’m at combat sports talk.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:32
And I am at push pull. Pray. All right,

Ryan Smith 1:14:35
how do you decide whether or not you’re you’re repping push, pull, pray or obfuscated

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:14:40
on how well I can spell at the second I’m about to say something. Okay, all right.

Ryan Smith 1:14:47
Um, you know what I’m actually given Tick Tock a try. So I’ve started a combat sports talk. tic Tock so we’ll see how that works out.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:14:56
And there will be dance challenges led by

Ryan Smith 1:15:00
Brian, I’ve not I’ve not I’ve not posted anything yet, but we will see how well that works out for us. You can find us on our website at www combat sports talk.com. And you can see us via all of the social media platforms that we have up here. You’ve got YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Apple podcast, Periscope and Spotify. Shout out to MMA junkie MMA fighting MMA mania, bloody elbow and the intelligent defense discussion group on Facebook, because that is where we get our stories and a lot of the discussions we have on this show begin on behalf of cholesky Casey only a Buchi. My name is Ryan Smith, reminding you to keep your hands up, your chin tucked and throw bombs. We’ll catch you next time.

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