Episode 147 – Anderson Silva’s Last Fight? Adesanya’s Next Challenge.
In what could have been Anderson Silva’s last fight, Uriah “Primetime” Hall played spoiler, finishing The Spider in the fourth round. Bryce Mitchell stayed undefeated in the UFC and Greg Hardy added another victim to his list of finishes. Dana White announced Israel Adesanya’s contendership for the Light Heavyweight Title, and Gervonta Davis put the boxing world on notice with a shocking KO of Leo Santa Cruz
Ryan Smith 0:09
Welcome to combat sports talk a podcast dedicated to UFC and bellator discussion, the MMA community and combat sports in general. I’m your host, Ryan Smith. And joining me this week is the entire combat sports talk crew. We got john the keys to victory keys.
Unknown Speaker 0:28
Hello, everybody. How’s it going? How is life? How you doing? Oh, they’re right.
Ryan Smith 0:34
I’m doing great. Got any new facts for us?
Unknown Speaker 0:39
Of course I got that for y’all. We’ll do three. We’ll get three. I think we’ll do three. Okay. I’m Christian. All right. Y’all know what pet creation is ancient Greek martial arts. oldest dirt. You know, kind of around the time Moses was probably practicing in it. You know, Jesus was tried doing it to his it was an elliptic, it was an Olympic sport. And it’s actually deemed one Olympic sport that hasn’t been revitalized yet. And nobody knows why.
Ryan Smith 1:12
Because you can break bones in that Olympic event.
Unknown Speaker 1:16
You know, you could break bones and boxing too. Okay.
Ryan Smith 1:19
No, but it was part of the rules. You could break a person’s bones. Yeah. In a Greek wrestling. Yeah. in boxing.
George Stallworth 1:28
It kicks at you as an Olympic sport. What are you talking about? Ryan? They quando on a regular basis?
Ryan Smith 1:35
Yes. But you’ve got padding and headgear. Like
George Stallworth 1:38
you said, No, no, no, we’re talking head, like,
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several 30 4050 miles per hour to your head around.
George Stallworth 1:50
The show is going off the rails already.
Unknown Speaker 1:53
And I got to number two, okay, that’s what I’m saying. Alright, so, yes, actually, Ken Shamrock back in 2000 actually led an effort to get pankration because he is a shoot wrestler and shoot fighting is basically that incorporates a lot of the same techniques as pankration. So he was doing a very strong effort to get it back in Olympics. It never panned out. So number two, um, you know, Sean Connery passed this weekend. Yeah. Michael.
Ryan Smith 2:29
How so we got to work on the timing on this because I want to introduce glitchy and and George with glitchy you didn’t know that Sean Connery passed away.
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Ryan Smith 2:43
is every James Bond fan on the planet has come out with rest in peace, and all that kind of stuff. So
Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:49
they’re doing this thing where on the weekends, I do my best to stay off social media. Better Than Anyone is.
Unknown Speaker 3:01
It’s Monday you sell to the cut off like Oh, man, you know? Well, two things about Sean Connery. One he used to be Mr. Universe, he Well, he was he ran third place in Miss Universe back in 1953. And two, when he did Never Say Never again back in 1983. He actually did a lot of martial arts training. One of the he did two mainly, one was kick kyokushin karate. And the other training was was was pretty intense. And he ended up getting breaking is written the instructor got so frustrated with them. They ended up breaking his wrist. Who was that? instructor? Steven Seagal
Ryan Smith 3:46
Kelechi Onyebuchi 3:48
I’m gonna fact check on this one.
Unknown Speaker 3:53
And then the third one, which is like, here’s where we go off the rails. And did you know that there isn’t a religion? That is based off the worships of curvaceous women’s bucks.
Unknown Speaker 4:11
All right. All right. Well,
Ryan Smith 4:14
joining us all the way in
Kelechi Onyebuchi 4:17
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George Stallworth 4:26
Unknown Speaker 4:28
It’s called a down ecology. It was started back in 1996 by a dude from Nigeria. I do believe
Ryan Smith 4:38
in your cultural awareness moment. Don’t
Unknown Speaker 4:42
Don’t put that on us. Now john, no decarie lost.
Unknown Speaker 4:52
Me kind of wonder how they pray. Do they
Kelechi Onyebuchi 4:57
say Hey, everyone. I’m Casey. The other I’m based in Denver. I’m excited to be on the show today. This is a how this normally goes.
Ryan Smith 5:08
Yeah, we’re gonna have to revamp the intro because yeah, we can’t start john Key’s off three, three facts.
Unknown Speaker 5:16
Okay, okay. That is pre approved that from now on I will do martial arts or UFO related facts okay. Just give us
Kelechi Onyebuchi 5:29
the George St. Pierre treatment just like nothing that GSP wouldn’t say.
Ryan Smith 5:38
But before before we go another further to quote Steve Harvey from the Apollo. I want to I want to welcome to the show George g money stalwart aka coach to the stars.
George Stallworth 5:52
combat sports nation How
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Ryan Smith 5:55
are the crew for combat sports talk. We have already gone off the rails. Let’s try to get this show. Back on track, back on track.
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They got me here for sorry, off the rails.
Ryan Smith 6:09
So from now on, we’re gonna introduce everybody before we give john Key’s the floor to be able to say anything that can get us off track so that everybody can can can grown together.
Unknown Speaker 6:23
You know, that might be best that got y’all y’all get y’all out the way and then I come in with, you know, the flag and
Ryan Smith 6:33
the slapping the hug.
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Ryan Smith 6:35
So this weekend was another great fight card. It was UFC Vegas 12 and it was potentially the last time we’ll ever see Anderson Silva the spider who many people say is the is the true goat of MMA and the UFC fighting in a competitive in the octagon so let’s
Unknown Speaker 7:02
go ahead in the UFC octagon
Ryan Smith 7:05
well the there only is one octagon because they’ve copyrighted it or they’ve trademarked it so every other every other sport has a different shape
Kelechi Onyebuchi 7:18
I don’t see a triangle one but let’s continue
Unknown Speaker 7:24
I think like Russia is gonna be a great so
George Stallworth 7:27
Unknown Speaker 7:29
shall right now oh
Unknown Speaker 7:30
my god we could go to Pakistan for a triangle i think but I think that’s medieval combat though. I really do yeah, I
Ryan Smith 7:38
don’t know I don’t know why
Unknown Speaker 7:41
have you not saying that that’s the death we should it’s combat sports we really should try to cover
Ryan Smith 7:48
well let’s do some research and and and introduce in your back segment at the beginning of the show. Sports that use odd shaped rings for their for their combat. So like triangles are
Kelechi Onyebuchi 8:03
excited to jump into this one. There is a good mix between both the undercard action had a lot of interesting things but then of course the main card just being so memorable. There’s so much on back there. Alright,
Ryan Smith 8:16
so let’s get into it. This is the official decision.
This is the official decision. This is what we look at the fights from Saturday night it was UFC Vegas. 12 Silva versus Hall, Saturday, October 31, aka Halloween or All Hallows Eve. For those of you who don’t observe Halloween. No, All Saints Day is November first. Yeah. For us Catholics in the house. Apex Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. There were five fights on the card, Bobby green, lost his fight against Dr. Joe moyses. via unanimous decision. Maurice green caught the business end of a fist by Greg Hardy and Hardy defeated Greg Hardy defeated a Mario screen via TKO at 112 in round number two,
Unknown Speaker 9:25
who is your best bet? Yeah. Can we talk about that for
Ryan Smith 9:28
what? So? So let me let me just say, my official pick on the show was Greg Hardy. But Greg Hardy was the first the first heavyweight ever to have to go into the booth to get that extra hour to cut weight to make the 265 pound limit. And so I was like how does a heavyweight fail to make weight and like that, that right there? Like we always talk about people, not making Wait, and like that’s your job as a fighter train, make weight win fights. That’s what you have to do as a fighter, when you were what heavyweight? And it’s 265 pounds you got to make. And you come in fat like, bro. Because of that, I’m gonna I’m picking Maurice Greene. But I knew better I knew better because I can sit on the show Greg hardy way too strong, way too strong.
Unknown Speaker 10:25
Yeah. And I thought, you know, what, there’s a bit of a, quote unquote, controversial ending, but I was like, because Maurice Greene protested that he stopped that herb stop the fight too early, but I was like, You can’t protest that while you’re laying on the ground. Okay, you’re laying on the ground literally, with your hand out saying you stopped it too early. You can’t do that you got to hop back up and then make a pro tip. I I had a problem with that. But
George Stallworth 10:58
other than that happen to me, Greg Hardy’s post fight interview was calling for out and I think he said he will destroy I can’t remember which fighter he called out but I was like that’s that doesn’t bode well especially hearing what Ryan saying now about Scott Miss Wade as a heavyweight
Ryan Smith 11:18
Yeah, the the the crazy thing is is that I watched the fight the the interview right after the fight. I didn’t watch the the press conference. But the the fight the interview right after he was like,
Unknown Speaker 11:34
so I’ve been working hard.
Ryan Smith 11:38
Like, dude, you are so out of breath.
Unknown Speaker 11:42
He has exercise
Kelechi Onyebuchi 11:43
Unknown Speaker 11:46
Yeah. And he and I gotta empty the tank trying to finish off green. So let’s give him a little bit of credit, he
Ryan Smith 11:54
effectively could have won that fight in the first round. And, like, you don’t get a good sense of how strong Greg hardy is. Until you see him do what he did to mark the screen. Because very early in the fight, he throws just a straight right in connects against Mario screen. And it was literally like, you had to measure in knock back into like, like knock back feet. It was like, like, like watching comic books where he throws a punch hits the guy and the guy goes flying back into the wall. Like that’s what Maurice Greene did. And you’re like, Oh my gosh, this guy. Is that strong that you’re not gonna have a heavyweight? 15 feet back into the cage. Like, how crazy is that? And so Greg hardy tried to finish. You were not impressed by his performance. Okay, George St. Pierre.
Unknown Speaker 12:45
Ryan Smith 12:46
it was unbelievable to see how strong Greg hardy is. And he’s under the tutelage now of Rashad Evans. And so now he’s actually starting to get a ground game and his grappling is starting to improve.
Unknown Speaker 12:57
Let’s talk about that because that’s one thing I did notice that when they were on the ground scrambly he actually did a spin move in the ground on the ground game to get back in the garden. I was like whoa, where did that come from?
George Stallworth 13:10
So you guys are sounded like such casuals right now.
Unknown Speaker 13:14
I know it sounded like castles right now
George Stallworth 13:16
we are talking about Greg hardy former NFL player he he just caught out Derrick black these Lewis he said they’re black these Louis has pillow hands. Come on, man. Get out. He would just regard like somebody in the top team. First of all, you start calling out the number three number two a number one guy. He said he would destroy Derek black bass Lewis, he he’s itching for a fight is what he’s doing. I get it. I get what you’re going from. But can you at least deal with some real competition first, and then maybe call out a guy such as Derrick Lewis?
Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:52
I don’t know if his competition has been his fault, though. I think Dana White has been somewhat gracious to talk to Greg trying to give him a pathway to have a career in the UFC. But the fact that he’s been winning so much. Like, I think it’s time for him to get on a real path to the belt. And I see I think it’s the right move to call out like beast at this point.
George Stallworth 14:20
And then on top of that, he got dq for using an inhaler as a no contact
Unknown Speaker 14:27
for me. What was he
George Stallworth 14:30
What did he get for the inhaler?
Ryan Smith 14:31
You got a no contest?
George Stallworth 14:33
You know? You get what I’m saying. It’s two fights that he jacked up. And and so I don’t know I’m just not only tide crank. Oh, come
Unknown Speaker 14:43
on coaches making rookie mistakes. Okay, he’s, he’s got with somebody that will that will mentor him and get him on the straight and narrow, and Rashad Evans. I think that was the that was a fantastic move right there. And I think we’re gonna see a real evolution. Greg Hardy, it’s a you know, a proper fighter. And he will be mentorship. What
George Stallworth 15:05
is his smack talking? He shouldn’t be calling out there black bees Lewis like this. And then I think that the other thing that he did to really just tick off the UFC well not the UFC brass, but to tick off the heavyweight division was he said something in reference to Hey, I was you know, I came out of football, where every week I was dealing with 390 pound guys and so you guys are nothing in this heavyweight division to me. Like really brought it that’s that’s we’re comparing football to UFC right now.
Unknown Speaker 15:37
Okay, so do you know what he’s doing here? He’s He’s baiting a trap. He’s baiting a trap saying, Come knock me off this mountain. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 15:50
So bad. Me
Unknown Speaker 15:56
catch these hands? Because they’re rated E for everyone.
George Stallworth 16:04
Like no one.
Unknown Speaker 16:05
Yeah, that’s a lot is violence. Okay?
George Stallworth 16:13
The height trainer? Are y’all on his hype train?
Ryan Smith 16:15
Kelechi Onyebuchi 16:16
Unknown Speaker 16:18
Ryan Smith 16:19
I’m not I’m not on the hype train. I’m impressed by his power. But I I do put it in context of the fact that the dude has what 10 fights in the UFC. You know, he’s, he’s fairly new to the sport. So and I do acknowledge the fact that he hasn’t seen top 10 level talent yet. So there’s a lot of things that are going on that you know, that really put that asterisk on what he’s accomplished so far, far, but I am I am. I am impressed by his sheer power like the fact that this guy can can throw people around and maybe it’s true he has been dealing with 390 pound guys, you know and so he’s you know, like you know, 265 pound guys or nothing for him. That may be true, but the fact is, is that just being able to throw people around doesn’t a UFC Heavyweight Champion make you’ve got to be able to demonstrate skill and I just don’t think that he’s got enough time in the octagon yet to be able to for me to be on the hype train.
Unknown Speaker 17:23
So question when Derrick black piece Lewis first started, where are we this critical account?
George Stallworth 17:31
I don’t think Derek black these Louis came in talking trash in the same manner. Derrick built his trash talking up and actually did it more through social media, his own social media, and built a following. Greg Hardy, I can’t say that he’s building a following. In fact, if you hear me talk right now, I’m not pleased with him.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 17:50
Has anyone liked him from the jump though he came into the UFC as a heel, he had no opportunity to come in and be a face like he’s coming off of domestic violence charges in Dallas, people were literally seeing him in Walmart and running up on him. Like, I don’t know that he had an opportunity to make friends within the UFC. And this was his only pathway forward. So it would it would come across as disingenuous he would have been a Jon Jones of it like, you know, how are you going to come across and tell me about Jesus while you’re sitting in jail for coke charges.
George Stallworth 18:25
I was giving him a chance up until the recent interview I saw where he called out black bass. I had nothing negative to say about Greg hardy up until I saw that interview. And then he called
Kelechi Onyebuchi 18:42
if you definitely call him out, though, we start to question is like, is he just happy being a journeyman within the UFC? Right? Like, I believe that he’s going for gold like every fighter should and so maybe not a black piece? Maybe he calls out a Scarface? Dude, I really don’t like heavy weight curl Jheri
George Stallworth 19:05
curl why he talking about you?
Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:10
Why am I terrible at every name possible? row?
Ryan Smith 19:14
Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:17
alsco from the net yeah overeem
Ryan Smith 19:21
does not have an afro What? I did not
George Stallworth 19:26
Ryan Smith 19:28
He has no hair. His hair grows so fast.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:31
next interview a It doesn’t matter what matters is that’s that’s probably a more fitting call out somebody who’s in that. He’s got you know, leave me alone. What matters is that’s probably a more appropriate call out.
Unknown Speaker 19:48
Let’s see here. I mean, what do you want them to call out like? Cyril Ghani or Walt Harris. You know, me Webfoot number nine are good.
Unknown Speaker 19:58
George Stallworth 19:59
well I think part of the reason why he’s also calling out black bees is that there’s some some some similarities in the fact that they both have storied backgrounds. And I think there was an incident where black bee said something in reference to him as well. Well, but that’s because a reporter was comparing the two of them.
Ryan Smith 20:19
No, no, no, no, no, no, but you you have hit on it, you have hit on it. There’s a collision coming between Greg Hardy and Derrick Lewis. Because when that when the UFC announced that Greg hardy got hit, got the contract to go from Dana White’s contender series to the UFC, the first person to speak up was Derrick Lewis, who said, I will bring that wife beater to me. And so I will, Derrick lewis is the one who actually shot fired the first shot. Because we actually talked about on the show, I’m glad you reminded me because that was Derrick Lewis, who said that he was going to finish the, you know, to finish Greg Hardy and so Greg hardy is now coming for that he is coming to cash that check that Greg Lewis wrote, and so I actually now, I mean, just I’m just saying.
Unknown Speaker 21:13
Now you want to jump on.
Ryan Smith 21:15
I’m on the hype train now. I’m on the hype train now. I forgot about
Unknown Speaker 21:20
that loyal girlfriend, Ryan. No. Wow.
Ryan Smith 21:29
So So yeah, I’m ready to see that I want to see that fight now, and and made a couple of fights for Greg hardy just to give him some more experience. But the fact is, is that he needs to have his day in the octagon with Derrick Lewis, and I want to see that fight and I’m ready to pick it now.
George Stallworth 21:47
I think it needs a couple more fights to appear skill is when I mean is octagon time. I don’t think that’s a very competitive fight right now.
Unknown Speaker 21:57
I agree that they both need to keep fighting Now a couple more fights, and then put them on a collision course towards each other. And let’s see what happens. Reinforce the rank people.
Ryan Smith 22:10
All right, here we go.
Unknown Speaker 22:11
Yeah, they need to do that for sure.
Ryan Smith 22:14
hometown hero, Evan Holland. defeated Charlie ontiveros via TKO
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Unknown Speaker 22:24
Slam two. Yeah, it
Ryan Smith 22:26
was kind of a trip turn slam kind of thing. Basically, Charlie ontiveros hurt his neck when he landed and basically verbal tapped. Um, this is, but I have to say that I mean, Kevin Holland looked great. I mean, the fight didn’t last very long. It was funny that he got into an argument with Israel out of Sanya in the audience, right after, but let me just say Charlie ontiveros they were saying that he probably should be fighting at welterweight but he was fighting at 185 this guy might be somebody to watch. Like, he looked pretty dynamic in the ring. I really enjoyed what he was trying to do until Kevin got his hands on him and then basically wrung his neck but um, I want to keep my eye on Charlie ontiveros Yeah, he looks like he’s gonna be somebody to watch.
Unknown Speaker 23:19
I agree. likes to just then the brakes unfortunately. I I hope he’s all right. I hope it isn’t too serious. And hopefully, you know, you’re right. Maybe he needs to go down to welterweight and be a problem. But being in the middle way, it looks like not not your cup of tea, sir.
Ryan Smith 23:39
Right, right. In the CO main event of the evening, Andre touchy feely, could not put it together enough to stop Bryce Mitchell’s continued undefeated record the the cammo shorts are want to know in the UFC.
Unknown Speaker 23:56
Yeah, he was all over him. Okay. That’s all I could say. He was a record what? Seven, eight top eight takedowns in the entire match. I mean, it was like to get him up. Yeah, he got as soon as he got up. He was right back on a pin down. And I was like, Wow. So yeah,
Ryan Smith 24:19
it was it was it was pretty impressive. Bryce Mitchell showed a lot of dynamic wrestling and grappling. But I got to give it to Andre feely because he was able to get back up, he got taken back down again. And it was kind of that thing, but in the second round, Andre Fili I think did enough to win that round. Just showing his his striking prowess when he was able to stuff those takedowns but going into the third round, Andre feely needed not to get taken down and he got taken down early in the fight, couldn’t get back up. And you know, that’s kind of the end of it. 2928 on on. Well, actually, two judges gave it 3027 I thought Andre Fili did enough to win the second round.
Unknown Speaker 24:59
Unknown Speaker 24:59
I mean, it’s just one of the things I do is fight Mike Matthews. That’s what that’s what it looked like he was he was scooping up some to the ground and he’s trying to impose his will. That’s That’s all he did. And you know what, when when fighters come out there, and you see what they’re doing and you’re still unable to stop it. Good job for that fighter.
Unknown Speaker 25:19
All right. Good
Unknown Speaker 25:20
job for imposing your will on him like that.
George Stallworth 25:24
Right talk to the wheat roll man has been you know that. I think Phil is like on a floor fight scared, isn’t he? Yeah. Okay. So there is some concern that he may be on the chopping block man. I met Andre, about a year year and a half ago out in California at CSA man and he’s a wonderful fighter at my heart goes out to him. Hopefully he can get this turned around. He’s with the coach. They can get it done. No. Coach Fitz Givens out at CSA.
Ryan Smith 25:53
Actually he is not he’s not on a on a on a losing streak. He’s kind of in his last five. He’s three and two and his last five. He won a fight against Charles Jordan. Back in June. split decision. Last two. So DEEK Youssef, in January, and then he had two wins before that. So he’s three and two in his last five I hopefully he won’t. I think he I think he put on a good enough performance to stick around. But you know, it’s it’s it’s you never know what the UFC talking about speak sticking around, perhaps if they did enough to stick around, Anderson Silva trying to rally working on it. Anderson Silva in his last fight, perhaps in the UFC, was defeated by Uriah Hall via TKO at 124 in round number four. You know, guys, it’s it’s
Kelechi Onyebuchi 26:56
go ahead to let you It’s hard to say that there was any other outcome that could happen. I think the fight wasn’t necessarily against Uriah Hall. The fight was against father time. Silva has done so much in his career. And if we’re, if we’re honest about it, his careers extended probably seven years longer than most people thought after he broke his leg. It seemed like he was not going to be able to come back. He’s had a series of tough top fights in between, but this this one, this one was rough, right? You want to go out on top. But he’s fighting a fight night to end his career and that that alone was a travesty in itself and doesn’t speak well for how the UFC is treated. arguably one of its most valuable fighters through through the modern age. I,
George Stallworth 27:48
I know I would argue with you on how well they treated Anderson.
Unknown Speaker 27:54
You would argue on that?
George Stallworth 27:55
No, Dana White would he talked about that in one of his recent interviews, he was like, Man, I’ve given him a chance at the chance to have to chance since you know, basically he started his losing streak. And Dana’s like, you know, hey, what more can I do? You know, I’m giving you the Iceman treatment. At this point, you know, I you are not fighting in the UFC anymore. And I’m doing this is a favor to keep
Kelechi Onyebuchi 28:21
doing it as a favor. Yes. But I mean, the interviews that he’s had surrounding Anderson Silva like it comes off as Dana White being hurt and not being a businessman. Like I don’t know where the black blood comes in, in there. But the way he denigrated his fighter to talk about how terrible the fight was in the fact that he trashed Uriah Hall like we all know Uriah Hall is a bit of a headcase. And I don’t say that in as a pejorative necessarily, actually, that was messed up, like Uriah Hall struggles because he is one of the most talented fighters in the UFC. But he hates hurting people. And that’s a well known thing. But the way that Dana White talked about Uriah Hall versus silver, man, it’s like he hates these two people. Like I just, I don’t understand how somebody who’s done so much for your organization, you can then go back and talk that much trash about him.
Ryan Smith 29:15
I don’t think that he was talking trash about them. I mean, we can we can kind of, you know, talk a little bit about the fact roll
Unknown Speaker 29:23
that tape. Roll. Beautiful. I
Ryan Smith 29:27
mean, how many? let’s let’s let’s ask this trivia question. I’ve got this up. I’m on I’m on Sherlock writing it right now. How many fights has Anderson Silva one in his last 10 fights?
Unknown Speaker 29:43
I say to two,
Unknown Speaker 29:46
dang, I’m good.
Ryan Smith 29:48
So, but I don’t wanna
Kelechi Onyebuchi 29:50
I don’t want to continue arguing because that’s the only one I’m gonna get. But But yeah, but
Ryan Smith 29:56
look at this. And so to answer the first question of me Anderson Silva given what he’s done in the UFC doesn’t deserve to be on a fight night. Look at this record guys, I mean, everybody loves Anderson Silva but people aren’t going to pay pay per view dollars to see Anderson Silva we you know, make him the main event,
Kelechi Onyebuchi 30:18
you make them a co main or third on the card is actually to make them co main.
Ryan Smith 30:23
But you said The thing is, is that they tried to do that, um, at UFC 237 they also had him on UFC 234 and he was on UFC 208 and he was on UFC to like look at all of the UFC pay per views he was on like crazy losses though.
Unknown Speaker 30:42
He was supposed to that’s
George Stallworth 30:45
about like I’ve given Silva every opportunity and allowed him to make so much money since basically his skin started Dana there’s no way anyone can say I did Silva wrong in this
Unknown Speaker 31:00
session because I gave you a whole bunch of money. I did him that’s that’s how I do them. Right? Because the hot talk about them. Cuz that’s right, right there. You know that that respect level? I mean, you can’t borrow my respect like that. Okay, you can’t put a whole bunch of cash out of me. I mean, I wish you would, and then Talk Talk, talk bad on my back. Or
George Stallworth 31:26
that money is the best form of apology you can ever get.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 31:31
Number five fighters doing it for pride. Yeah, Toby’s legacy at this point.
George Stallworth 31:37
But no, he’s not fighting bullies not even losing the last 10 fights. I mean, right. You destroyed your legacy. And and Dana’s giving you time and time again and opportunity to upgrade the ship. And unfortunately, you just can’t.
Ryan Smith 31:52
And that’s and that goes back to this this last three fights. He was outclassed by Israel out of Sanya, like Israel out of Sanya really fought a very respectable fight, because I honestly think that Israel out of Sanya could have done way more damage than he did. But because Anderson servers is idle, I think that he basically played it safe. But you come in here with Jared cannoneer. Your kinnari knocked him out in the first round with a leg kick.
George Stallworth 32:19
Ryan Smith 32:21
First round leg kick TKO.
Unknown Speaker 32:24
We’ll see this, this goes back to what we said that he they that his mystery has been solved. It’s been solved since since Weidman unfortunately. And it just never it just never he never recollected himself. Unfortunately.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 32:41
I don’t I don’t think Yeah, I’m gonna agree that I don’t know that he was really outclassed by. by asagna. I think if we look at some of his Silver’s later fights, it’s, of course, people are giving him a lot of deference and respect because you know that the spider has been able to knock people out with one punch. I think what I’m still leaning back on is it’s a time thing like his chin is not what it used to be as any fighters is over time you degrade. And there’s something to be said that the right hand that landed, wouldn’t have landed against a silver 510 years ago. It’s at its age more than anything. So his skill sets there. His hands are getting there. They’re just slow to the spot. He’s not as fast as he once was. But why
Ryan Smith 33:30
are we then? Why are we then treating this? Because we say it’s a it’s a young man sport. Silver’s 45. Why are we treating? Why are we treating Anderson Silva like, Well, you know, yes, he’s gotten slower. Yes, he’s older. Yes. He’s not one on the back because we’re making all of these excuses for him. He should have retired. When, when in when he went back home to Brazil. Everyone expected that the last fight in his hometown was going to be the fight where he was going to retire. That’s what we all thought it was going to be. And then he didn’t. And even after he got finished by Uriah Hall, they asked him arc. Is this it? Have we seen the last of the spider? He’s like, I don’t I don’t know. Maybe I go home.
Unknown Speaker 34:20
He wants to go out on Tom. Like any man does. Okay. Okay.
Ryan Smith 34:24
Give him a featherweight to fight. Oh, come on. Wow, okay, okay, man, that’s wrong. I shouldn’t I shouldn’t have said that. But the point that I’m making is you can’t give him legit talent. You just gave him a 10 a number 10 guy and he got rocked. Multiple times got rocked at the end of the third and he got finished in the fourth by a number 10 guy. What are you gonna give him somebody
Unknown Speaker 34:49
Ryan Smith 34:52
Let me let me finish let me finish. So what you are effectively saying is that in order for us to provide Show respect to Anderson Silva, we need to put him on a pay per view card. Give him a guy who’s outside of the top 10. And let him fight in that. That’s how we show him respect because we gave him a number 10 guy on a on a on a fight night headliner on a fight night. And he got finishing the fourth round, and not showing him disrespect. I just don’t see it. Go ahead.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 35:24
No, it wasn’t that it was the way that Dana White talks about him and the post fights like dassey. When it comes down to like, all of the other stuff like you’re right, you’re you’re not wrong in that week. We can’t have him headline, a UFC. What a bigger card. But what you can do is talk about the legacy that the man left behind, is talk about the way that he shaped other fighters, the way that he opened up academies, the way that he helped fighters even outside of the UFC. Like, that’s the legacy that has to get honored. Like, that’s really what changes like between like the Anderson silver that was knocking people out. Yeah, that was great. We love that. But the Anderson Silva, who remained a good dude, the whole time. Like, why, why is it so hard for Dana White to acknowledge like the good people on his roster?
Ryan Smith 36:18
I want to I want to give john an opportunity to say his piece.
Unknown Speaker 36:24
Before I respond to you, okay, so, Okay, first of all, your impression of Anderson Silva is pretty spot on. That’s pretty good. Secondly, it’s normal. Secondly, you, you you, you are right. Okay. Ds 40, please. 45 years old. It’s a young man sport. they’ve evolved. Okay. But it’s not how you you know how many chances you give them it’s the fact that when you sit there and you have a God that literally for over five to six years, held this held held UFC on his back. You sit you don’t sit there and dog now that the first sight Look, this is going to be his last fight. He’s done so much for this for the sport. But I can’t let him go any further. He’s got to retire. He didn’t do he did dog out check with Dell. When he when he told him that he can?
Ryan Smith 37:23
Actually he did dog out chocolate Dell. And when Shukla Dell came back to fight Tito Ortiz in Golden Boy promotions. He dogged Chuck Liddell out even more.
Unknown Speaker 37:34
out there. Okay. I know he did. But it’s still the fact you don’t dog out people who failed. Who were your champions, and who have held you, we’ve held you back. Okay, who had been a linchpin of the company, and Anderson Silva for several years was the linchpin. So I feel that there’s a respect level that Dana, Dana White needs to observe when he’s retiring his
Ryan Smith 38:02
champion. So I just, I just, I just want to go back and say, we started this conversation. And so when you guys go back and listen to listen to this particular part of the show, y’all were saying that it was a disrespectful thing to not give him to put him on a on a fight night. That’s how we started.
Unknown Speaker 38:22
No, no. We started this. Yeah. That Yeah, that Yeah, collect you said that. I don’t subscribe to that. Okay. They could have put him on a date, why they did the headline here a lot. You know, even putting them in the situation. This is different. If, if we were on if we were in a non COVID situation, where everybody went where the world is normal, and they put him on a fight night, where not many people were going to watch. Okay, that’s disrespectful, but still beat the fight nights had been treated almost with the same level as as a pay per view. So he still had all he still had eyes on him, and plenty of it. So I don’t see how putting him at a headliner for a fight night in a COVID situation where people are still at home. I don’t see how that’s going to be disrespectful. He still had to he still had an audience to watch him in his final and what should be his final fight. I see leppa delight saying that he that I think that’s his name.
Ryan Smith 39:30
I feel like I looked it up
Unknown Speaker 39:33
but I got it right on that okay. So first of all, I do think that’s as as a as much of a master fighter that industry civil was out of Sanya for him respectfully, civil will will probably, you know, I hope Scott Coker doesn’t bring him the Bella tour if he does put him as a as a commentator on on the Portuguese side of the game. That’s what Dana does want to keep keep as a UFC brand because, you know, he does play real nice and ea UFC. You know, he really does. And, you know, he wants us to retire but he wants if he’s data smart, he will keep him in the organization somewhere much maybe like talent recruitment down there. And just like you did.
Ryan Smith 40:23
Forrest Griffin right.
Unknown Speaker 40:25
Yeah, Forrest Griffin. Matthews. Do you know they were talent? Yeah. Yeah. So he’s gonna do that. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 40:36
Sorry if I cut you off.
Unknown Speaker 40:38
Ryan Smith 40:40
Georgie, wrap this up for us. What’s your thought?
George Stallworth 40:45
There’s only one way to wrap it up, man. Anderson Silva needs to retire. He’s had a great and storied career. Um, I think what Lupita like said, is actually true. Dana White does want to keep him as a UFC only brand. So he’d hate to see him go somewhere else. And so he’s probably going to do like he did with Chuck for a while and try to find ways to supplement income if if Anderson’s in need or anything like that. So that’s what we’ll see. And the same will retire as a UFC legend. And off into the sunset.
Ryan Smith 41:19
Yeah. All right. Well, so So given the fact that we spent so much time on this, I won’t go and do lines 2122 and 23 of the run sheet where Dana White is saying he could do things that other people couldn’t, he’s almost impossible to touch. He would just be on the front end of your punch, the leather might touch him a little bit. All the like Dana White said a lot of it is reported in, in the media of saying a lot of great things about Anderson Silva. So you know, typically what will happen is when he is when he is enshrined in the UFC Hall of Fame, that’s when everybody is going to show off. And they’re going to tell all the great stories of Anderson Silva like, you know, it’s going to happen.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 42:04
This is a tale tale abusive relationship.
George Stallworth 42:07
He loves me, he
Kelechi Onyebuchi 42:08
just beats me in public.
Ryan Smith 42:12
Alright, so there you have it. The other things like we spent all this time talking about Anderson Silva, the guy who lost the fight. We didn’t talk about anything about Uriah Hall, who at the end of this, this amazing finish. falls down before Anderson Silva and weeps. Like, what’s that
Unknown Speaker 42:34
night and he did? He did not wait. He did ugly cry at me. Only you can hear him on the mic. Cry. Okay. And it’s okay. It’s okay. You agree? It’s okay.
Ryan Smith 42:53
Apologies apologies, not because he broke his nose. He broke down his Silva’s nose like the blood like they’re sitting there, you know, bowed down in front of each other and you can see the blood just pouring out of Anderson Silva’s nose, and I think Anderson Silva is like, okay, bro. Like, I really need to go to the hospital. I’m trying to show you respect, but I need you to let me go.
Unknown Speaker 43:18
Here I don’t like the time I’m getting lightheaded. I can’t even lie.
Ryan Smith 43:25
So So, you know, I think that it was fitting that Uriah Hall showed so much respect, you know, Lupita lied to saying that even Israel out of Sanya showed tremendous respect there. Israel out of Sanya was in the audience for what we believe was a Anderson Silva’s last fight. So I think that you know as much a respect that the fighters have shown Anderson Silva whether or not Dana White has shown the necessary amount of respect to Anderson Silva as he deserves. Whether or not the UFC as a brand has shown Anderson Silva as much respect as he deserves, the fighters definitely have and so I look forward to the day with Anderson Silva says no no moss and and does not fight in the UFC anymore. Simply simply because it’s hard to watch. It’s hard to watch him lose bites to these fighters.
Unknown Speaker 44:23
Ryan Smith 44:24
it’s hard to watch because we all have followed you followed him and and his career and we’ve all talked about his greatness. We it’s not there anymore.
Unknown Speaker 44:36
Missed evolution Got him.
Ryan Smith 44:39
That’s right and it always it will get everyone someday. Let’s go on. Let’s go ahead and close the book on this one and put this one on the shelf because this card is history and go straight into the headliner. The number one thing we are going to talk about when it comes to headlines happening in the UFC. This is the headliner.
All right, so we talked about Israel out of Sanya being in the audience. And what was announced this week is that Israel out of Sanya will challenge young blazkowicz for the light heavyweight title in his next fight happening in 2021 he said he would move up the light heavyweight in 2021 here he is and he is going to challenge for the light heavyweight title of the world.
Unknown Speaker 45:27
I don’t like it
Unknown Speaker 45:30
Ryan Smith 45:32
Why don’t you like it? Full screen for you. You go ahead. Why don’t you like it?
Unknown Speaker 45:36
In a word. He’s not done. You know he’s not done with it with with with the middle. Okay.
George Stallworth 45:48
Because you said no,
Kelechi Onyebuchi 45:49
you said in a word and then work together.
Ryan Smith 45:55
It’s not done
Unknown Speaker 45:57
that’s one word. That’s triplet. That’s normal. He’s a Texan he can say it Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 46:04
I mean don’t get me wrong. I know eventually what’s gonna happen but and wasn’t probably this is probably gonna be the one thing that uh, bring john John’s back to to light heavyweight
Ryan Smith 46:16
but you mean not Daniel Cormier a
drink Thank you drink
Unknown Speaker 46:28
just on that note, okay. Daniel also says that you know that he’s gonna he’s going to fight they’re going to fight Alright, and it might be a lot sooner cuz this scenario is I’m sorry it goes up light him away. He beats block of it. All right, he gets the belt. He becomes a two to fit to the vision champion. Now john Jones is coming back to light heavyweight to grab the beat The beat out of Sanya and, and try to destroy everything about him. He can’t go down the middle way. Okay, because it’s just too much. But he will go back to him light anyway. And then he’ll go back to proceed on to heavy weight and take him from sleeping. Back to scenario.
Ryan Smith 47:19
I think that that’s I think all of that is pretty, pretty wild.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 47:26
The weight cuts alone involved in that don’t make sense. What you presupposed is that the fight was out of Sanya and Jones would happen before Jones takes a title shot at heavyweight, which he’s been training for for the last several months. And that doesn’t make sense.
Unknown Speaker 47:46
Ryan Smith 47:50
We’ll talk about it in a minute. We’ll talk about it in a minute. When we talk about john Jones having guns No dude literally has guns. Yeah.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 48:04
Nice a watch.
Unknown Speaker 48:07
When he’s not training for fights, he’s actually doing some heavy lifting there. I’ve seen him scares the crap out of me. Because he doesn’t look. He doesn’t look like he’s much but he’s, you know, like Chelsea said, when he hit him. He knew that he wasn’t fighting the light heavyweight at that moment. He knew I’m a casual and I lift
Kelechi Onyebuchi 48:25
more than john Jones.
Unknown Speaker 48:28
Ryan Smith 48:30
he’s a power lifter. No, no, don’t let let you clutches a power casual though. Like I don’t do this for a job. Listen, listen. The dude’s Instagram handle is push pull. Pray. Let me pop my collar for a moment. Morning john Jones, even though the fact that you both got scared.
Unknown Speaker 48:52
George Stallworth 48:56
Wow. Would you say he skips leg day Ryan?
Ryan Smith 49:00
Yeah, no, no. Like, I’ve seen his videos. He doesn’t skip leg day. It’s just it’s kind of one of those things. You just can’t put anything on him and he’s just bone lifting straight bones.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 49:10
Um, bones Jones?
Ryan Smith 49:12
Yeah. Here’s the thing. Here’s the thing. Israel out of Sanya moving up. I personally think that he has pretty much cleaned out the middleweight division. Name someone in the top five in the middle weight that he hasn’t already beaten. Name someone in the top 10 who deserves a title shot. Like Robert Whittaker. Robert Whittaker is like and this is what Dana White said Dana White was like after Robert Whittaker finished Jared cannoneer. He was like, okay, we’re gonna do the Robert Whittaker fight. And then in the post fight press conference, Robert Whittaker was like, Nah, I think I’m okay. I think I’m good at least until 2021. like, Okay,
Unknown Speaker 49:50
you know what, I look back, and I stand corrected. I’m looking at the top five. He’s actually beat. Yeah, well, the end but jack Hermansson has
Ryan Smith 49:59
jack Hermansson is the Only person and lepidolite is also saying that as well. Tech is is is your own is that’s it. Like, that’s your own guy
Unknown Speaker 50:11
and their truck till comes up with some real trolling. I mean yeah, that’s that, you know
Ryan Smith 50:17
Darren already that’s you know and so we’re using a member fight. We’re using MMA math right but MMA math says that Robert Whittaker who beat Darren till would not you know, that would make Darren till easy work for Israel out of Sanya, you know. So, I know it’s MMA math, we do the fight. You know, to quote Herm Edwards we That is why we play the game, right? But there really isn’t a big fight for Israel out of Sanya, jack Hermansson would need to do something spectacular to justify a claim on on on that title. So moving on to light heavyweight is the right call for Israel out of Sanya and I think that that’s well within his skill set. Because he’s not fighting a big wrestler. He’s fighting another striker. He’s fighting another kickboxer. And so this is absolutely a great fight for him and a great opportunity for him to continue that campaign against john Jones. Yes, Israel out of Sanya, Bian blazkowicz in 2021, then what ends up happening is now john Jones is going to be like he’s going to have to respond. JOHN Jones is going to have to do something because Israel out of Sanya said in 2021 I’m coming to light what light heavyweight? It’s 2021 and if he gets that type that title, he’s like I’m here. Where are you at john Jones? Or he would he would say john Jones. He would say where are you at? And then he would use the pejorative term for a vagina.
George Stallworth 51:51
So he was on an interview earlier today and he said he actually wants to fight john at heavyweight any name two places Raider stadium or cowboy stadium. Why he wants it anyway.
Unknown Speaker 52:06
He wants all the smoke anyway he’s trying to become the pound for pound that’s what he’s doing he Erie weight division championship. And you know what and that’s what a pound for pound does he goes anywhere to do to do the business and
George Stallworth 52:25
to top it off is he has fought every weight before in kickboxing Can I just say that? This is not on what’s the word? It’s not brand new territory for
Ryan Smith 52:38
George Stallworth 52:41
what you see I don’t know
Kelechi Onyebuchi 52:42
that this proves pound for pound because Demetrius Johnson had he moved up to
Unknown Speaker 52:50
light heavyweight somehow.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 52:51
Right? Come on, like just moving up doesn’t mean that.
Unknown Speaker 52:55
Okay? You bench
George Stallworth 52:58
regional championship belts in three different weight classes. That’s hard not to call it exact we’re not talking.
Ryan Smith 53:07
We’re talking power.
Unknown Speaker 53:08
George Stallworth 53:10
talking about think about this if you What is it? heavyweight? Light Heavyweight? And middleweight and middleweight.
Unknown Speaker 53:20
Come on man, as to across
George Stallworth 53:23
interesting weight divisions in the UFC.
Unknown Speaker 53:28
Pound for pound is
Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:29
meant to actually create a level playing field no matter what your weight classes. So moving
Unknown Speaker 53:37
on. What’s that?
Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:41
Moving up doesn’t actually prove anything about your skill set because there’s a lot of people in that that’ll get skipped over. So let’s say his he moves up. He went to the belt. There’s a lot of people that he didn’t have to fight to get there. And and there’s some that pose a different challenge for him. And it’s the way I look at the Conor McGregor thing. Like if you give someone an easy path forward, how are they the pound for pound champion just because they they beat another champion? That was an easy matchup for him.
Unknown Speaker 54:11
So okay, so
Unknown Speaker 54:12
like so yeah, like, Oh, you won.
Unknown Speaker 54:15
Yeah, yeah. But the pound for pound definition by the reporter that created that definition said the fighter to be considered pound for pound. That means you go to any way to get the business done. Okay. That’s what pound for pound means. That’s why john Jones even though I don’t like it. I have to say he does have the ability to go there anyway to get the business done. It’s got the P DS. Okay.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 54:49
First saying Anyway, let them drop down the flyweight and for doing semantics, let them drop down the flyweight.
Ryan Smith 54:58
Unknown Speaker 55:01
You know if he could do unhealthy thing Yeah, I mean though he’s gone from that if that’s been let’s say if he went down the middle weight if he could go down the middle and get it done okay if he are Gawker wider.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 55:18
Okay, it’s not the same fighter because, wait, wait,
Unknown Speaker 55:22
I’m sorry. He’s named john Jones. Is he gay john john welterweight. I love how he get the business done.
George Stallworth 55:31
This segment started talking about young black a witch and Israel. And now all of us said it is shifted totally to john Jones. Oh,
Kelechi Onyebuchi 55:40
my back to is he like what?
Ryan Smith 55:42
JOHN do second his drink. here’s here’s the thing for me. Honestly. The thing that I don’t like about fighters moving up the way Israel out of Sanya is moving up is the fact that he does get to skip the line. They doesn’t have to invite anyone in in light heavyweight. He gets to skip all the way ahead. Because I think that he would run into problems if he had to fight someone like Tiago Santos or you know, he might even run into some problems fighting I forgot the Swedish guy’s name is built by like men at arms from he man.
Unknown Speaker 56:18
Ryan Smith 56:21
No, not No, not raking their nose. He’s got no neck. I forgot his name. But anyway, like, you start running into some of these problems. And while Israel out of Sanya may figure out a way to do it. That is how you end up getting that pound for pound because you’re seeing him actually bite some of these other people in the in these different in these weight classes. I think that you begin to introduce him into that conversation a pound for pound, if he fights and beats Yon block of itch, and then goes up to heavyweight and wins the heavyweight belt. That’s that’s a great, that’s a great. It’s a great conversation. But you got to defend the title. And that’s what frustrates me so much about this. Is that you? So what if you won that bill to your to your already good point. And lepidolite is also saying it as well. Yes, you might be a great matchup for that hit for that for that title holder. But now defend the title. If you can defend the middleweight title, and the light heavyweight title and the heavyweight title. Yeah, you’re pounding
Unknown Speaker 57:27
in your pasture, I totally agree with you. I mean, I’ve listed will make a rule like if you are a champion, and you go up into another division, you started, you know, somewhere in the top five, maybe top three. Okay. And then you fight, you fight one of the top two to earn that championship? You know, don’t make it a super fight unless you’re willing to defend right that you went Did somebody
Ryan Smith 57:52
write an entire blog about how we could fix the ladder so that we would avoid
Unknown Speaker 57:58
that. I could have sworn somewhere did that. They did. And I think I took I took excerpts from that from that blog. You know, you can find it on combat sports talks.com. And it’s a really it’s a really interesting read.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 58:15
I love the heart behind is he being gamed to move up. I think it’s the right move. I think it’s just difficult to swallow that he gets that title shot right out of the gate without putting in the work. But realistically there’s no one else in his division that it makes sense to keep fighting for. I think that john Jones thing is still a distraction for us. It’s It’s It’s a long ways out from happening. And though we can speculate on it, it’s just we have to look at the the sheer numbers of it. And yeah, that’s gonna be a big fight, but not for 2021. It just doesn’t make sense for either of those fighters with their career paths.
Unknown Speaker 58:55
But you know, you know, john Jones, he petty you like petty. He’s nothing more than Dan white
Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:07
who doesn’t care about john Jones at all like to make that fight happen. He’s got to get Dana White on board.
Unknown Speaker 59:14
Let’s see. That’s the thing. We see the same intensity between auto Sonia and Jones. That was there for kornegay for karma angels. He sees money. Okay. Dana White sees greenbacks. Okay. You see a number of green faces, right?
Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:31
Yeah, but he still has a Connor in the promotion who’s starting to play ball more often. So what’s his big focus? The john Jones looks like? We haven’t seen a Dana White who’s really good at fighter development beyond one fighter at a time.
Unknown Speaker 59:45
Yeah. Well, now that Connor is number one Nemesis is gone. Allegedly.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 59:54
We’ll talk about it here that Dustin poria
Unknown Speaker 59:58
diamond. Okay, let’s talk about
Ryan Smith 1:00:01
Let’s go ahead and move along. Let’s go ahead and move along.
George Stallworth 1:00:04
Ryan Smith 1:00:05
I think that we kind of covered that. Let’s go and talk about the Dana White said that the lightweight title isn’t vacant. We’ve all been kind of talking about kicking around how we might have a four fighter or six fighter tournament, or the lightweight title. They know why it’s like, no, the lightweight title still has a has a championship holder and that person is even America metal, that he feels like urban America men just need some time away to heal from the loss of his father, and that he will come back to go for 30 and Oh, so Dana White is not willing to give that title to someone else. He is much much rather he haven’t been mega Madoff. You know, in the picture until there are I guess until he takes himself out of the USADA testing pool that’s the only way that we truly know someone is retired Daniel Cormier, a. Conor McGregor
Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
Look at that.
Ryan Smith 1:01:02
Unknown Speaker 1:01:04
Yeah, yeah. Alpha are you I don’t call job I don’t even
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:01:12
feels unhealthy. So I’ll give you some a little validity because Cormier did make mention on his show with Ariel helwani. That his retirement just like he listed himself in the people who retired in 2020. And maybe mentioned to the fact that like the only thing that brings him back as a title shot, but let’s be honest, there’s no title shot that Cormier gets. So theoretically, if all of the stars aligned, you’re not wrong. But when it comes to I gotta be real and say that this feels selfish and super unhealthy. For Dana White to be pushing for a beam to come back for this arbitrary 30 You know, there’s no one that he’s gonna fight that’s gonna beat him. It’s, it’s a foregone conclusion. It doesn’t improve on his legacy to get one more when the man is has more money than he ever dreamed of. He doesn’t care about the money. And what matters to him is like he did this with the help of his father for Dana White to push beyond that. Feels callous.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:28
Do you think it was Dana White? Because I did hear that? Well, consider the source. Dana White said that have be father went to his third one to him. 30 enough,
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:02:41
right. Dana White also said that, uh, all these fighters who didn’t take Yeah, I mean, what hasn’t Dana White lied about like,
George Stallworth 1:02:54
Unknown Speaker 1:02:56
so I’m just saying. Yeah,
Ryan Smith 1:02:59
I did. Dana White said Famous last words. He talked to even American men off and they got a sense that Habib wasn’t fully done yet. Um, and so and so I I don’t know. But that’s what he’s saying. So this Conor McGregor vs Deus employee to fight that, that that’s scheduled to happen. You know, it’s interesting fight but it’s not actually moving anyone towards a title shot because with Habib on the bench, and Dana White not willing to create a interim title or give someone a you know, a vacant title shot, then there’s a lot of jam in light and lightweight and there doesn’t need to be one.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:47
So what do we do?
Ryan Smith 1:03:49
What do we do? That’s up to you guys to decide. For me. I’m just listening.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:57
I think we got to go to the next segment.
Ryan Smith 1:04:02
So we were talking about john Jones working out and I said that john Jones not only works out but he literally has done there’s a video that john Jones released where there was a robber trying to break into his home and john Jones chased the dude away with a shotgun
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:04:22
it’s weird that he chose the shotgun because if you’ve seen john Jones Arsenal, that dude could have picked a variety of weapons must not have trusted himself. Real Talk john Jones is a worrisome individual with how he is with his his head and his home like he’s gone full conspiracy theorists scary dude in his basement with too many weapons, like between his dog training his arsenal that he’s built up his parading around in para military gear.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:57
Unknown Speaker 1:04:59
someone To go check on your boy,
George Stallworth 1:05:01
cuz Diego San Diego says something to the effect of john Jones is definitely prepared to kill a person in self defense.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:13
Oh for sure.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:18
Diego Sanchez is commenting with clarity like that. We really need to take that seriously. Because Diego Sanchez is like a sneeze away from having a tinfoil hat.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:31
I think this is what happens when you do cocaine too much and watch john wick.
Ryan Smith 1:05:47
I got nothing to say. That’s crazy.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:50
jumping around in his underwear rolling on the ground.
Ryan Smith 1:06:01
Mr. Jones? I am not i’m not saying any of that, sir. That is the
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:06:08
case. You got guns to hold on.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:13
Ryan Smith 1:06:15
Um, no, but But seriously, uh, I think that’s interesting. The one thing that I thought of when I saw this video, though, is Anthony Smith.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:26
Unknown Speaker 1:06:29
Ryan Smith 1:06:32
that he was taking a shot, no pun intended, at Anthony Smith. Because Anthony Smith, of course, ended up getting into that physical altercation with a with a home invasion. And john Jones said that he would, you know, he would have handled it differently. And now we have this video of john Jones handling, like sure, I’m, I’m gonna assume that it’s real. I’m gonna take it as real. But this is, but it’s just yeah, vignette. Like this is less than a year after his comments. And now we’ve got this guy trying to break into his home like
Unknown Speaker 1:07:12
breaks into john Jones home but
George Stallworth 1:07:16
he wasn’t trying to break into the home. He actually appeared to be trying to break into the vehicle
Unknown Speaker 1:07:23
and just kind of fell bad day where you having to have the day end up like that. The chicken chase by the most dangerous God knows where to shut up. Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s like, you know, the lion on the back of a rhinoceros.
George Stallworth 1:07:49
This cat talking about it, too. He said something to the effect of? Yeah, I tapped on the guy’s window with the muzzle of my shotgun or something like that. Yeah, I guess the guy made it to his vehicle.
Ryan Smith 1:08:02
Yeah, it’s just it’s just it wasn’t
George Stallworth 1:08:04
a far fetched stretch to think, though, that this could have been orchestrated. I mean, we see these videos of john training dogs and things like that. And I think this video came from I guess it’s home camera system or something.
Ryan Smith 1:08:18
Yeah, but but it’s just one of those things where at this point, john Jones is such a, such an infamous and famous person at the same time in Albuquerque. How do you not know where john Jones lives? How do you not know who john Jones is? where his cars are? all this kind of stuff like the police literally have, like, a picture of john Jones in their cars. They know who john doe is.
George Stallworth 1:08:47
Unknown Speaker 1:08:50
I’m just saying that I mean, your day was bad. I mean, you you had a lot of bad day, things happen in that day and that 24 hours to end up trying to bring
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:09:04
bad day on bad day. So I get that. To use a colloquial term. They’re not gonna find john Jones lacking
Ryan Smith 1:09:15
but real talk.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:09:16
I just I wonder with the most Braxton possible Yeah, like come on, Carlton. never find him lacking. No,
Unknown Speaker 1:09:31
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:09:31
what what is more impressive. chasing someone down with a shotgun with let’s say buckshot if not birdshot increase your odds, or finding somebody already in your home and you saying come in heck or High Water. I’m going in there with my bare hands to handle this.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:53
I think winning several 14 championships without bus being popped in How to be impressive.
Ryan Smith 1:10:04
Wow, the haterade is sweet here,
George Stallworth 1:10:08
please. Where’s the internet contest for the day, man?
Ryan Smith 1:10:13
Let’s Let’s go.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:15
Petticoat Junction. Okay, Petey, walk away. Okay.
Ryan Smith 1:10:21
I think it’s fair. It was nothing but
Unknown Speaker 1:10:24
a walk. Okay. Oh, got it. I see what you did there. Yeah, Halloween. Yeah, Halloween. Yeah.
Ryan Smith 1:10:32
So Douglas Lima regrets respecting gegard mousasi too much in Bella tour. So we’re going we’re going over to Bella door. And, and so Douglas Lima who was the who was the Welterweight Champion or is the Welterweight Champion. We tried to move up and fight for the 185 pound bellator middleweight champion which was which was vacant and and gegard mousasi. Won via unanimous decision. So, you know, this is you know, we always talk about fighters who leave the UFC and come and find success and other other sports. There you go, you’ve got now a garden massassi coming over to Bella tour and and walking away with a championship at 185 pounds. So shout out to gegard massassi and Douglas Lima said he’s going to come back and he is going to vie for that title again. He wants to be a double champ like Ryan Bader Yeah. Used to be
George Stallworth 1:11:33
you know, Ryan is like slick hating on Bella tour. For the i’m not
Ryan Smith 1:11:40
i’m not hating on Bella tour at all. Lamia. Yeah, no, I used to hate on Bella tour. And then I started meeting guys who were fighting on Bella tour and I’m like, Oh, I gotta I gotta cut that out. Because I don’t I don’t know. I don’t want anybody showing up on my doorstep going. Oh, Bella Tori. I used to call Bella the redheaded stepchild. Um, I don’t do that anymore. Right. Um, but you have a guard massassi who’s come over you had Ryan Bader who’s come over and both of them won championships Ryan Bader Of course won the light heavyweight and the heavyweight title before getting destroyed by by
Unknown Speaker 1:12:22
Ryan Smith 1:12:22
by the I forgot the guy’s name but he’s a Russian guy. You never bet against the Russians? Um I’m not so So yeah, I mean that’s that’s kind of the the the thing that I’m you know that I that I wanted to call out is that yes gegard mousasi left the UFC and now has found success as a champion in in in bellator.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:50
Let’s see gig on massassi was such a fiend on before he went to the UFC cuz he was he is he was the door Emily ankles protege. Alright, right and right. Even in this car. Even now, the dream catcher is just a monster. Yes, it’s nim cough. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thanks.
Ryan Smith 1:13:15
roll them up. Like a like, like a Tootsie Roll like that.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:18
Just Yeah. Yeah, it was it was impressive. But yeah, I mean, so gay. God, you know if anything, I was just shocked that gay God took so long but Jenna Bell Okay, cuz gay gardens. He’s a beast. If you want to see somebody put on a good technical clinic, you watch any of gig on themselves these fights except once he got lost, but you’re not the only ones in there to really realize he got booed. But you know, when he I mean, he’s just such a technical strong fighter. Good ground game. I mean, he’s just he could do it all everywhere. But that UFC level it’s just this there’s just that next that next level, there’s levels to the game like they say and well, UFC at that top level.
Ryan Smith 1:14:06
The only thing though is is he does need a better nickname, because dreamcatcher I got to do the research to find out what dream catcher means. Like somebody know what to drink. You know what a dream catcher is? I know you’ve got one on your wall like behind you. Yeah, I know it is. But I’m just I’m just thinking why would Why would your fight name be dreamcatcher
Unknown Speaker 1:14:32
I got it. I got to do research on that. He catches him destroys dreams. He just kept saying
Ryan Smith 1:14:37
no, but a dream catcher doesn’t catch and destroy dreams though. That’s not
George Stallworth 1:14:40
what would have been a more appropriate Yeah, more. Like dream catcher sounds like oh,
Ryan Smith 1:14:47
yeah, this is this is this is like when when Diego Sanchez changed his name from the nightmare to the dream, like like I would have loved to have seen that fight between Diego Sanchez and gegard mousasi I know it couldn’t happen. Um, but it would have been hilarious because it would have been Diego the dream versus the dream catcher. Like, what’s up with that?
Unknown Speaker 1:15:11
Well, I Okay, all right, fine. Well, I so what I will do, I’ll go.
Ryan Smith 1:15:17
So you you were talking about how gegard mousasi is a very talented striker. And so when we start thinking about talented strikers, we have to talk about this. And that is the last topic of the day. And that is javante Davis. And that uppercut I got to say is this right here?
Unknown Speaker 1:15:36
You guys want to go see your body?
Ryan Smith 1:15:38
Unknown Speaker 1:15:42
There it is. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:47
That was, that was good. I don’t want to see that again. Okay.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:15:55
I will say that so that was an amazing, amazing uppercut. But if you guys watched the undercard for this last fight card. Oh my goodness. There’s at least three knockouts where the person is just john on their feet. It is equivalent mayhem in the undercard which is hard to say. But Dana White from his last contender series. He found some winners. He found some winners.
Ryan Smith 1:16:26
So wish there were talking boxing. Dana White under cards like boxing now.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:16:38
But it was it was that was an excellent knockout. I was impressed by his ability to throw an uppercut and win the fight. It was outstanding.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:49
Okay, see, I’m with john. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:16:51
Unknown Speaker 1:16:51
know what you’re doing.
Ryan Smith 1:16:52
I apologize. But But no, just because there were three there were three knockouts on the undercard. I’m like Oh, really? on the on the javante. Davis undercard because that was the main event. Right?
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:17:03
So I’m picking up what you’re putting down. That’s on me. So I was like, Okay, I
Ryan Smith 1:17:08
didn’t realize that you had had had a weekend of fights. Mr. coleccion.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:12
Y’all know me? Yeah, we do. That’s why I was so
Ryan Smith 1:17:15
surprised. So um, so yeah, everyone was shocked in the uppercut was like a little inside uppercut to it wasn’t one of those big hulking uppercuts like you would see mike tyson throw and it was this a little book and dude was asleep. He was out it was funny because some people were accusing it of being thrown fight cuz you know, boxing, always. Anytime. The dude knocked out.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:43
Ryan Smith 1:17:46
Yeah, Leo, Santa Cruz was knocked out with a little grin on his face.
George Stallworth 1:17:50
Unknown Speaker 1:17:52
My eye was
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:17:53
not present for that.
Ryan Smith 1:17:56
Like you never want to get knocked out and then had the picture of you smiling with your eyes like,
Unknown Speaker 1:18:01
as you thought in your mind if you want.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:18:05
Yeah, wasn’t the timing a little? just hilarious on the knockout as the announcers appear to be talking about how Santos has got this and it’s not gonna be that big of a deal. And then boom, like, yeah, yeah, like mid sentence like, Oh, never mind. Yeah, I
Ryan Smith 1:18:21
think something like, you know, javante Davis, you know, can’t think that that Leo Santa Cruz is going to fold under the book. I guess.
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Alright, let’s get into it. Let’s talk about the fights that are happening this week. This weekend and on the fight card. All right, we’ve got a great card coming up. We’ve got five fights on the card, UFC Vegas 13 Santos vs to share Saturday, November 7 2020 at the UFC Apex Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. first fight on the card. We got Claudia gadelha versus Yon shell, son, Ciao, ciao, neon.
Unknown Speaker 1:19:24
There you go.
Ryan Smith 1:19:27
My Mandarin is not good. I’m sorry. I’m Brendan Allen versus I Ian harnish. That’s one of your homeboys. Come on. Come on factory.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:19:37
So it’s factory x, but I don’t really rock with the end like that.
Unknown Speaker 1:19:41
All right. All right.
Ryan Smith 1:19:52
Right now on Twitter deer in hi Nish.
George Stallworth 1:19:56
Our viewers. stalwart
Ryan Smith 1:20:04
views expressed by Kelechi Onyebuchi is not necessarily those of
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:20:11
Iraq with factory acts that’s why I keep mentioning the undercard because you had was his name. Dustin Jacoby coming back after was it nine year layoff eight year nine year layoff and winning leg kicks like man factor x as the coach them up right so I’m here for it but it’s just Ian in particular. Like he’s got a good story I just don’t rock with him like that.
Ryan Smith 1:20:36
So the Brittany Allen run noi or cielos versus Khalid Taha Andre arlovski versus Tanner Bowser. And then in the main event of the evening Tiago Santos vs Glover to share let’s go ahead and make the make make the flash fight pick on the Tiago Santos and Glover to share a fight. George Stallworth, who do you have?
Unknown Speaker 1:21:04
Well, Emily, a
George Stallworth 1:21:05
few things out here first Tiago has been off for what a year now? Something like that. And they’re giving him Glover who’s been on a hot streak now for probably about a year now. My conventional wisdom says, Tiago comes in and destroys this guy. But I also know how resilient Glover he is, man. So I’m gonna go a glove on Yes. One.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:31
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:21:34
I’m going Glover on this one.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:40
Wait, real quick.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:41
The Glover fight.
Ryan Smith 1:21:42
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:21:43
Was that the teeth? fight? Yeah,
Ryan Smith 1:21:45
yeah, that’s it. Yeah, I’m gonna keep junkies.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:52
Ooh. So I look at this fight. And it reminds me of those car commercials. Or the crash test dummy commercial where they hit the brakes. And the crash test dummy goes out the window. Well, I do believe that’s gonna be global tech shares hype train. He’s gonna he’s gonna stop at the wall. asuntos he’s gonna come right out of it out the window. right into that brick wall. I see Thiago Santos you know as much as I love Glover tech, Sarah. And you know, what’s the Iceman protege? I’m good, dude. I like his story. I like the fact that he’s given us people above the age of 40 a chance that we’re gonna beat him. He’s gonna beat a bad dude. I’m sorry. It’s gonna be a one rounder.
Ryan Smith 1:22:43
So. Uh, wow.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:44
I’m not gonna hit you. Bruh Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:49
George Stallworth 1:22:51
glove was gonna grab one of those leg kicks and rip his knee apart.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:56
Hmm. We’re gonna see well, you know, he’s
Ryan Smith 1:22:58
that but that was the injury. Right? That was the injury. You know, it’s and I agree with lepidolite is that it’s hard to know how Santos is going to come back. Remember, he blew out both of his knees in the john Jones might.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:12
But he kept fighting. I don’t understand that he had, he had no knees. And he kept fighting. He had no he’s just like, it’s
Ryan Smith 1:23:29
like on Friday. You have no game. It’s like,
George Stallworth 1:23:35
Oh, my back.
Ryan Smith 1:23:44
So, here you know, I like this. I like Tiago Santos. He you know, he’s a muy Thai guy. You know, and so I because I really love Muay Thai fighters. I’m gonna go with the muy Thai fighter in this fight, as opposed to who George Stallworth is picking. So I am going to go
George Stallworth 1:24:08
Let me add some caveats on it. I appreciate you. As a moving type belt, he would understand in Brazil considered muy Thai black belt. No such thing exists that there’s some creation that some GM has or whatever, but okay, since you want to call him a muy Thai fighter, I just had this conversation with Philip. We will talk about how people recognize Anderson Silva is a muy Thai fighter. No, these guys are strikers who have studied muy Thai.
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:24:45
Anderson Silva actually fought as a more Thai fighter and as a boxer separately before coming to the UFC. So how is that not a mortar
George Stallworth 1:24:54
muy Thai it is not muy Thai. That
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:24:58
is the way that he adapted it for For MMA, yes, but as a pure more Thai fighter
Unknown Speaker 1:25:04
George Stallworth 1:25:07
muy Thai it’s a difference.
Ryan Smith 1:25:09
Oh, oh you should be doing this right here. There you go boom
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:25:17
training me to not get beat up so you’re right
Ryan Smith 1:25:21
yeah you don’t ever you don’t ever go against the coach especially when he’s coaching you cuz he’ll be like you know man you got this guy put your hands down you stick your chin out you got this beaten with your face next round I
Unknown Speaker 1:25:36
want you to put your hands completely down
Ryan Smith 1:25:40
you know how Ryan ends every show with Put your hands up chin tuck the dough bombs don’t do that do the opposite.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:52
Can’t breathe just like yes coach
Ryan Smith 1:25:58
All right, we have our picks. Only we’ll see what happens we’ll be back on the show next week to go over all of the action follow us on social media on Instagram. I’m at combat sports talk. donkeys.
Unknown Speaker 1:26:10
I’m at keys to victory and s keys with the S glitchy
Unknown Speaker 1:26:15
I am at
Unknown Speaker 1:26:21
push to pull
George Stallworth 1:26:25
on the dark side underscore muy Thai underscore. Oh look it’s not MMA. Like how you did it? Yeah,
Ryan Smith 1:26:35
yeah. See, see? No, no, look, it doesn’t it says muy Thai. Look at that.
George Stallworth 1:26:40
I know. That’s like he did that there was actually a stabbing Casey Anderson Silva was a Muay Thai fighter.
Unknown Speaker 1:26:48
Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:26:50
at one point, Anderson Silva five more Thai is what I meant.
George Stallworth 1:26:55
Just because you take a Muay Thai fight. Don’t make your muy Thai fighter.
Ryan Smith 1:26:59
There it is. All right, let
Unknown Speaker 1:27:00
me quit. There I go. I can
Unknown Speaker 1:27:05
George Stallworth 1:27:06
Demetrius Johnson, a Muay Thai fighter. He took muy Thai fights.
Ryan Smith 1:27:09
He sure did. Did he? Yes. Why? Ya know why john keys is like he muted now. Is that what his my his headphones died? Let’s keep going. You can find us on our website at www. combat sports. talk.com. Um, I do want to say that for those of you who are interested, check out our article on check out our article challenging when that’s what we talked about how we reinvent the UFC ladder, but that’s our website www. combat sports. talk.com Shout out to MMA junkie MMA fighting MMA maniac bloody elbow and the intelligent defense discussion group. That’s where we get the stories for the show and where a lot of these conversations happen. So join us on Facebook on the on the intelligent defense discussion group. And on behalf of George g money Star Wars caleche II Casey onya, Buchi and john keys. My name is Ryan Smith reminding you to keep your hands up, your chin tucked, and throw bombs. We’ll catch you next time