Episode 155 – The return of the show and UFC Fight Island 7: Holloway vs Kattar

We’re back after a restful break.  What did we miss?  This week we’re talking about the UFC’s donation to brain health, Paige VanZant’s headlining Knucklemania, Dan Hooker playing McGregor Roulette, the hopelessness of the UFC ladder, and some other headlines we missed while out on vacation.  We’ll end the show with a preview of UFC Fight Island 7: Holloway vs Kattar debuting on ABC.

Transcript

Ryan Smith 0:01
Hey there fight fans. Don’t forget to like, share and subscribe. This episode of combat sports talk.

Welcome to combat sports talk a podcast dedicated to UFC and billeter discussion, the community and combat sports in general. I’m your host, Ryan Smith. And joining me this week is the man with the keys to victory. JOHN Key’s a Happy New Years everybody. Hey, Collette he Casey own Yay, Buchi.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 0:44
ridiculously excited to be back with you, gentlemen.

Ryan Smith 0:48
All right. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. We are happy to be back. It’s unfortunate. The coach was running a little bit late tonight. So we don’t have him on the first show of 2021. But I am sure that we will have him for many, many, many shows this year. And so sending a shout out to coach George g money Stallworth. Wherever you are just don’t hurt him too bad. Please. Don’t be like Abraham Lincoln, man.

Oh, is this is this? The Is this the john keys. trivia facts of the day?

John Keyes 1:23
Did you know that Abraham Lincoln

was 299 and one and collegiate wrestling? Right.

Ryan Smith 1:33
I did hear that he was a wrestler. I just didn’t know that he was that good of a wrestler?

John Keyes 1:38
The idea masturbator approximator was free and people have their wins. And he was dealing out ills for everybody 299 times?

Ryan Smith 1:49
You know, I got to think that the I gotta think that that wrestling in the 1800s was not as not as skilled as it is today.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:04
I vehemently disagree. It’s one of the oldest forms of combat around like it had to been perfected by then. It’s not like there’s big innovations that have happened between then and now.

John Keyes 2:18
It’s one of the original Olympic sports.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:20
The real question is could been asked them take them

John Keyes 2:27
while neither one could take a shot, so there’s that man. Okay,

Ryan Smith 2:32
let me explain. Let me let me explain. Let me explain.

Unknown Speaker 2:38
My man is coming in.

John Keyes 2:42
So it’s been a week, man.

Ryan Smith 2:43
Yeah, that’s hard. But your boy Abraham Lincoln weighed 180 pounds. So he’s wrestling the likes of Kumara uzman.

John Keyes 2:57
We don’t know man, but

Kelechi Onyebuchi 2:58
he he would have had that length on him though.

John Keyes 3:01
Yeah. Can he make him look like what six foot four six foot five. He was big lanky for 180 pounds. He’s got him. Okay, big lanky.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 3:11
That sprawls gonna be killer.

Ryan Smith 3:13
Yeah, yeah, he was he was six 480 pounds skinny dude. But that means no leverage.

John Keyes 3:20
Sure, heels probably frequently you’ve probably freak freakishly strong too. You never know

Kelechi Onyebuchi 3:24
way and that wouldn’t have been his wrestling weight.

John Keyes 3:28
Exactly.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 3:30
Yeah. Okay, pretty sure that was his walking weight. So he had a wrestled at like 160

John Keyes 3:36
and really playing

Ryan Smith 3:38
copy. You wanna? You want him to go against a beep? numurkah medoff you could do that at one 155

John Keyes 3:46
you want a man that? You want the man to free the slaves? go against the Eagle Man. Really? Is that what we’re doing? Listen.

Ryan Smith 3:56
free the slaves. Okay, we don’t look totally different show. a different show. Like we got we got viewers that are watching right now free MMA stuff. We don’t need to get into that. But we can in an after show. You want to go there.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 4:15
Anyway do like stuff like that on Celebrity deathmatch?

Ryan Smith 4:19
They did? Like remember celebrity deathmatch, where they put two people on each other. I used to love that show. All right. 299 and one Abraham Lincoln as a wrestler, the girl the shout out than the set out to the goat cuz I don’t know another wrestler. That’s got those got those kind of stats set for you guys. Gonna Say the Gracie, what’s his name?

John Keyes 4:45
Are you talking about Hickson Gracie? Yeah, that’s 704 and the four that he got was after he retired from originally.

Ryan Smith 4:58
I just I you know It’s one of those things I did see that Habib in America metal. There were people who were who were smirking at Habib’s 29 and oh record because they said the first 15 were basically tomato cans and exhibition fights. And so, you know, why is he getting so much respect because, you know, he basically had, you know, exhibitions for the first couple of fights 15 or so before he got into the UFC. For those people out there who are getting ready to just complain that I’m I’m a Habib hater. I’m not, I’m just saying that there are people out there who were who are gawking at those first 15 fights. The fact is, even if he did face a bunch of tomato cans and exhibition fights, he still won 14 more fights in the UFC, ragdoll and everybody.

John Keyes 5:51
Yeah, facts, facts. I mean, that’s not true that you really have to remember that. It don’t matter if he was, you know, if he went 15 with tomato cans. he bragged on everybody, everybody, I’m pretty sure he’s gonna continue to rag on people now. Okay, I don’t need to say it in his face. No, I

Ryan Smith 6:13
wouldn’t. because he’d be like, send me location. And I’d be like,

Unknown Speaker 6:15
yeah,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 6:18
I used to be right now.

Ryan Smith 6:20
I live in Denver, Colorado, come get come at me.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 6:26
I have the cardio advantage, at least

John Keyes 6:31
runs in the mountains, dude.

Ryan Smith 6:33
That’s right. So let’s go ahead and get into it. Let’s get into our show. We haven’t been following there. I don’t think there’s been a fight since the last since last year. That that we’re going to talk about there’s been some boxing matches and things like that. So we’re gonna get right into our finding the angle segment, here we go.

This is finding the angles. This is where we talk about the headlines that are making waves in the MMA world. The first one is a notable one. And this is the UFC pledges an additional $1 million to professional athletes brain health study. And so this there’s a health study that’s going on that’s tracking and studying CTE and CTE stands for what? coleccion

Kelechi Onyebuchi 7:26
College tennis

Ryan Smith 7:29
elbow, boom, there it is. Oh,

yeah. Yeah, this this, this. This is the run sheet test to see if he’s looking at the run sheet. Because it’s in the first paragraph of the first story on the run sheet, chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 7:54
I’m not a great test taker.

Ryan Smith 8:01
Oh, so the UFC first contributed to the study in 2014. So they’ve been doing this for going on seven years now. That’s that’s helping to fund the study of CTE. And, and so it’s one of those things where

Kelechi Onyebuchi 8:20
I was just thinking of the timing, I was just thinking about the timing of this, I’m trying to be more positive and not just back to the UFC as an organization. But the timing is rather suspicious that now all of a sudden, there’s an additional donation to CTE. Some of their fighters have been distributing, displaying a lot of CTE activities of late. Sure.

Ryan Smith 8:45
This is true, you know, the one that we like to talk about, you know, of the Platinum variety continues to act out. And, and so, it’s been it’s been something that they’ve done over the course of seven years. So it’s not like, Oh, crap, we need to do something to try to save our, you know, save face. It’s been something that they’ve done with the Cleveland Clinic, Lou Ruvo center for brain health in Las Vegas. So they’ve done that I think it’s a good notable thing to talk about the UFC, we will have an entire year to to critique and criticize our favorite MMA promotion.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 9:29
So, positivity for me this year, UFC can do no wrong. Oh, wow.

John Keyes 9:36
Until we start talking about john Jones, okay,

Ryan Smith 9:39
no, no, no. See, see you got it. You got to listen to the words that he is saying. You got to analyze it. He said. He said the UFC can do no wrong. He didn’t say Dana White.

John Keyes 10:05
Oh, my bad, my bad. All right.

Ryan Smith 10:08
Well speaking about the challenges of CTE. I’m Paige Van Zandt is scheduled to headline knuckle mania.

John Keyes 10:18
Oh, his segways are in poor are immaculate tonight. Oh yeah.

Ryan Smith 10:23
This is headlining knuckle mania pay per view on Super Bowl Weekend. So Bare Knuckle FC is coming back. You know, I’ve been quite critical of Bare Knuckle FC for a multitude of reasons. But this is it. This is where Kate Paige Van Zandt is going to see whether or not she’s got the draw that she’s got the pole that she thought she had when she left the UFC. Because she had this huge following on Instagram. She was getting all of these opportunities for modeling because she was connected to this huge promotion. And now that she’s left and gone to bare knuckle FC, she’s headlining, we’re gonna see how much pull she has to get people to watch. I think the cost of these going to be 2999 to watch Paige Van Sant headline this, this event. And you know, Baek Rollins was like, Listen, Beck Rollins was like, Listen, Paige Van Zandt was getting ready to learn pretty quick. She ain’t cut out for this type of boxing.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 11:28
It’s an okay thing to train for

John Keyes 11:32
it. I mean, okay, I guess I got two things on this one. Ryan, are you ready to concede that Bare Knuckle is a little bit bigger than what you originally thought it was yet? Nope. That’s one. Okay. And to I wonder, I just wonder if the if the alleged and leak of her nudes had anything to do with the narco mania coming up

Unknown Speaker 12:04
Wow, that

John Keyes 12:05
was pretty good. That was That was good.

Ryan Smith 12:09
2021

John Keyes 12:09
I’ll just name Yes, yes, I see that man. Yeah, cuz you did hear about that. She did give her some news have been leaked of her and her husband and it just happened to coincide the week that we announced that so just saying I do believe Bare Knuckle FC has grown significantly. And will I say all the good ways? No, not all the good ways, but in a good way it is proven I mean, you know, say what you want about Ben about Bare Knuckle boxing. That’s how it’s supposed to be all right. Fighting is supposed to be Bare Knuckle knock loved. Never clubbed

Kelechi Onyebuchi 12:52
fighting is but we’re talking about the sport of combat. Yeah. And there’s a there’s a distinct difference between Yeah,

Ryan Smith 13:03
yes, that that I agree with Kelechi on this point that

Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:09
on this point

Ryan Smith 13:13
but I don’t want to ever be said that I unilaterally absolutely agree with collection.

John Keyes 13:20
But you guys gotta understand though. Okay. boxing gloves just continues to damage whereas Bare Knuckle really is actually a protective measure because if you say I’m and I’m see I see Yoda in the corner sir. I’ll be busting your you know busting your knuckles that’s a pretty much a stopgap measure for me. I’m not gonna punch with these. I’m gonna start slapping I’m gonna start using other techniques using gloves. Hey, I’m reining in with with it was a ferment but go ahead collection I’m sorry.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 13:58
I mean, some of the problem with that statement is just having at one point in my life, been in fights and also been boxing and training with different forms of MMA. Like these gloves aren’t just protecting the other person they’re protecting your hands as the distributor of punishment like the wrist wraps involved like there’s so much like when you watch a street fight there’s a reason why most street fights don’t go on for more than 30 seconds it’s not just the gas tank you’re breaking your hands out there we’ve seen it in fight after fight where you got a core me out there who’s broken his hand these these fighters even with this protection break their hands. So it’s not that it’s prolonging some punishment. It’s it’s protecting both fighters, and honestly haven’t been hitting the mouth and headed to clean knocked out before. I will say I would much rather have that with a rap than just a bare knuckle because it’s not fun.

Ryan Smith 14:58
Well, the thing that I was gonna Add to that is the fact that, you know, a lot of these, a lot of the danger that comes with this specifically boxing and and Bare Knuckle is the fact that they allow a person to get rocked to get knocked down and to get back up and to continue fighting. And, and so it’s, in general, when we start putting on you know, looking at the UFC, then you don’t get as much of that as you do in boxing or Bare Knuckle FC. And, and, and the, the ethos of that is also that they don’t want to see a person not get hit, they want to see a person stand and, you know, put one foot in a tire and go and go to work in the middle of the ring. So bare knuckles are not it’s the style of fighting that I find so repulsive. It’s not the fact that we’re fighting the way fighters should fight or anything like that. If you’re gonna fight in a combat sport, and this is this is the sage advice that I provided to Angie overkill Hill, is that the object is to hit and not be hit.

John Keyes 16:13
Not if he dies, that guy I spurred if he dies, he dies.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 16:22
But could you imagine like the cards on bare knuckle, I’ve only seen one and a half. Let me be honest here. But I’m not imagining these being cards where people are going for five rounds and just getting after it the whole time. Like there’s a lot of self protective moving away and just like try not to get hit in the face. Whereas with gloves on, you guys can engage a bit more. And kind of like Ryan was saying it’s a different style of fighting. And so I’m wondering for you, john, who loves the carnage, like are you okay with a whole card that lasts 30 minutes? Because everyone gets on the first?

John Keyes 17:02
If that’s how it goes down? That’s how it goes down. You’re talking about a guy that watched UFC one where matches where matches didn’t last more than just a couple of minutes. I’m totally okay. With a match going. You know? Two minutes at the most I’m okay with that. I’m okay with somebody getting submitted very, very quickly. I’m also okay with the with the endurance match under the Gracie rules where you know they don’t have around. Okay, the referee is only there to pull somebody off. He’s not there to judge. There’s no judging points. Nothing like that. I’m totally okay with that with the Gracie rules because it allows for a more pure combat experience.

Ryan Smith 17:51
The last thing I have to say with this is catchy. If you do watch some of the bare knuckle FC, it’s not boxing. It is not boxing. They stand and bro so there’s no moving out of the way if there is the dude is lucky the to move out of the way because he’s busy trying to throw his own punches. And a lot of times you know that adage is sometimes you got to take them to get them to give them and you know that’s what they get rewarded for in Bare Knuckle FC. Is that bro they don’t get they don’t get rewarded. They actually get penalized if they actually box so

John Keyes 18:28
which is one which is the one thing that me and Ryan do agree upon is that you shouldn’t be penalized for boxing. Okay, I do not agree with that. Okay, if go in there with your technique. You got your plan. He you guys plan. Well, let’s see here. Paige vanzant is going in with her with her Barbie doll. And oh chick, Beth Rollins is coming in with their Chucky doll and they got to put it together and we’re gonna see what happens. I don’t believe that. We’re gonna find out real quick and Paige Van Zandt is about that life because I

Ryan Smith 19:02
can’t I’m fighting back. Rollins.

John Keyes 19:04
She’s not fighting. I’m sorry. Oh goodness. I

Ryan Smith 19:07
say Britton Hart. Is who she’s fighting

John Keyes 19:10
Britain heart. Okay, okay. Well Britton Hart is gonna come in with her Chucky doll and Paige vanzant is gonna come in with her gym dog. And they’re gonna they’re gonna get in the ring. They’re gonna find out who’s got what.

Ryan Smith 19:23
I just think it’s funny that john Key’s is making gym references as in j e. m.

John Keyes 19:32
It’s truly outrageous, isn’t it?

Ryan Smith 19:36
I can’t believe you did that. That’s awesome. But what’s even funnier is the collectors like, What are they talking about?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 19:49
assuming this is like 80s knowledge that I was Yes,

Ryan Smith 19:53
this is 80s cartoon 989.

John Keyes 19:55
No, no

Ryan Smith 19:56
earlier than that.

John Keyes 19:58
I think it’s either 88 89 it’s not 87 because 87 was around about the time of the galaxy Rangers was 85 to 88. Oh, really?

Unknown Speaker 20:09
That’s right.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 20:12
Oh, I was watching. so salty the songbook during those years?

Ryan Smith 20:18
That’s right.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 20:19
So so they’re going to adventures in Odyssey

Ryan Smith 20:25
you know, and I gotta, I gotta give us I gotta give a shout out to synergy because synergy is what made everything happen.

John Keyes 20:34
They tried to reboot that show

Ryan Smith 20:35
they made a movie out of it.

Unknown Speaker 20:37
Did day.

Ryan Smith 20:38
Yes. Not combat for soccer related. Yeah. Let’s,

John Keyes 20:48
let’s go watch the original. You can find it on YouTube. Go watch the original.

Ryan Smith 20:53
Anthony Pettis explains his UFC departure. So you know one of the cool things about watching and listening to the show, the last show of the year 154. While I was on break, was, we were all talking about what was going to happen to Anthony Pettis, after he won his last fight, many of us knew that. Well, many of us, we all knew that. Anthony Pettis had fought his last fight on his contract with the UFC. And so he was either going to be part of that 60 either be part of that that 60 cut, which never really materialized like, Where’s the rest of the the people who were supposed to get cut by the end of the year? The or he was gonna end up seeking life elsewhere. JOHN, you said he might end up going to Bella Torre. We found out the week after we publish our last show that Anthony Pettis went to professional fight league pfml. And he’s saying that he is going to be the face of TfL. And so he what he said was he wasn’t getting cut. He basically got the offer from the UFC. And it was, you know, kind of their standard offer nothing really special for him in that perspective. And so Look who we got here. George g money, Stallworth has joined us.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 22:19
I haven’t had a real smile like that in a while. Coach, I missed you, man.

George Stallworth 22:23
How you doing, man?

Unknown Speaker 22:25
We’re good.

George Stallworth 22:28
So like I froze up for a second. I missed part of what you said other than I haven’t had a smile like that in a while.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 22:34
He came on and I was like, legitimately excited. You got gang together today.

George Stallworth 22:40
We Happy New Year, everybody.

Ryan Smith 22:43
Happy New Year. It’s awesome. So

Kelechi Onyebuchi 22:46
what we’re talking about, you didn’t throw an S on that.

Ryan Smith 22:52
We’re talking about Anthony Pettis, his departure from the UFC going to the pfml. He said he wasn’t getting cut. He wasn’t on the chopping block. offer for the UFC just wasn’t what the offer from pf l was. And so he made that jump over to to the P FL.

George Stallworth 23:10
Oh, my beer. You remember a couple of weeks ago, Dana White said yeah, we’re gonna be cutting 60 people, huh?

Unknown Speaker 23:17
Yeah. Okay.

Ryan Smith 23:18
What happened?

George Stallworth 23:20
I’m not saying anything happened. Anthony. Anthony Pettis is absolutely right to say hey, I like that, you know, I just decided it was better to be a bail.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 23:30
Which I believe it was though let’s let’s be honest. Like Dana is not known for giving the most favorable, favorable contracts. I said, Dana, not the UFC. not broken my rule yet. That said, I think this is actually a really good move. So I think towards the end of the year, I was down on the UFC for all of these moves, where it was actually going to create more competition. But in this base, right now, competitions probably better for the UFC. They need some of these other promotions to get closer to parody. And by letting go of some of these strong polls that they have with these fighters, I think it gives them more of a name for the PFS of the world for Bella tour to kind of reach some level of significance so that there is more excitement around the sport of MMA versus just UFC

Ryan Smith 24:23
and and and that’s true for for Bella tour as well. You know one story that didn’t make it into the to the run sheet that I was tracking though was Scott Coker saying that this jettisoning of talent from the UFC has provided an uplift or Bella tour and some of these other promotions so you know getting Corey Anderson getting you know, lol Romero getting you know Anthony rumble Johnson is going to be a boon for the for Bella tour just like pfml was getting someone like Showtime pedis that that’s that’s all great news shoot for them. And so is it is it now when we tell john that he’s muted himself, or do we just let him keep talking and moving his lips so that

Kelechi Onyebuchi 25:13
nowadays everybody wants to talk.

George Stallworth 25:17
But nothing comes out when they move their lips. Yeah, I don’t know if you guys got it. I sent a message out to you guys. The the fight venue for this weekend has changed. It’s actually going to be held over at coach Dee’s gym, lamb striking center over in Fort Worth.

Ryan Smith 25:39
Yeah. And so john still hasn’t realized that he is on mute. And so therefore he is still talking. It says guest is muted yourself. So where’s those blue headphones out?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 25:55
I’m not American. Merci.

Ryan Smith 25:57
Merci. Yes, we can hear Yes. Are

George Stallworth 26:00
you? Can you hear me now?

John Keyes 26:04
Okay, so Georgia, she brought it up. Why don’t you tell the people what are we doing this weekend for about a few minutes.

George Stallworth 26:10
So this weekend, ladies and gentlemen coming to you live in direct. The podcast host of combat sports talk will actually be judging Muay Thai fights over at fury kickboxing in Fort Worth this, this fight venue is going to be held over it. Lamb striking Center. This is a Muay Thai tournament, we’ve got about 15 fights on the card. So you guys will get to judge 15 Muay Thai fights. We’ve been working on the scar scoring criteria for the last few weeks. And unfortunately, or fortunately, tonight, we were actually I was hoping I would get to watch you guys score a muy Thai fight. But it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen because we’re a little bit too busy with the actual show and coming to you live. And speaking to our family, our fan base out here. But again, that’s this weekend, folks. I don’t know what the what the, what’s the word I’m looking for. The crowd will be like, I because we are in a pandemic, I don’t suggest coming out. But if we have an opportunity, maybe we’ll go live. And I’m sure some other people will be live, but just be able to look out, look for our hashtag combat sports talk, look for the hashtag fewer kickboxing events, things like that. And so maybe you can find us and I’ll see about putting it out there where we can at least let our listeners get a look at what’s going on. But I’m really excited that you guys are gonna get to judge this. I won’t be a judge, I got fighters on the card. So therefore I feel like it’s conflict of interest. So we’ll see.

Ryan Smith 27:38
All right, well, you know, we have definitely been busy getting ready in. And so what’s the hashtag again? What’s the hashtag?

George Stallworth 27:48
our hashtag combat sports talk, because I figured by the time we get there, we’re set up. If you guys want to go live at all, and even if you don’t go live, I’m sure there’s gonna be some things that we record. I’m sure you’re gonna want to do some interviews with some guys. Some things like that in between fights are somewhere along the lines. So just be on the lookout for that man, wherever I can find an opportunity to get us on live. I’ll make sure that that hash tag is keyed in somewhere.

Ryan Smith 28:13
All right. All right, that sounds good. Let’s get let’s get back to the show. We’ll we’ll plug it again at the end of this show, just to make sure that people are clear about what we’re doing this weekend. So, yo Anna Youngjae cheer. She says that she is a big part of the UFC. She says she deserves more money and she wants a bigger piece of the cake. Now, I guess that the Polish reference is not pie. Its cake. So she wants a bigger piece of whatever pastry it is.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 28:45
Everybody knows that cake is better than pie all day.

John Keyes 28:50
Cheese Cake.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 28:51
That’s my heart’s hot sports opinion for today.

John Keyes 28:56
Yes,

Unknown Speaker 28:56
she’s right. She’s wrong. All right, she

Unknown Speaker 29:00
is wrong.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 29:03
She’s a big part of women’s MMA and really helped fill a gap post Ronda Rousey and kind of really showing what a high class kickboxer can do in the sport. However, she’s lost a bit of her luster with the loss of the belt. And realistically her money if she wants to go after money, it’s not going to come from the UFC because they’ve had a lot of top tier talent that never actually got paid their quote unquote do so yes, you’re right, you did help really keep UFC relevant. And as such, you will get paid the same way that Demetrius Johnson did

Unknown Speaker 29:44
out Wow.

Ryan Smith 29:47
Man, somebody’s cutting deep. You know, it’s just one of those things where I think she’s right in the fact that she deserves more pay. She said that well the disclose pay for her fight versus Sang Wei Li, which was Fight of the year was $106,000. Plus a $50,000. Fight bonus. Now she wasn’t a champion. But you know, she’s a former champion, it was a championship fight. One would have thought that she would have gotten higher pay for such a huge fight like that. Clearly, unless you’re one of those Apex fighters that that’s getting, you know, the big the big dollars that has all the eyeballs. You get that kind of money. It kind of comes with the territory. But at the same time in

Unknown Speaker 30:44
the head, no, no, sorry.

Ryan Smith 30:46
No, no, just at the same time. It’s just one of those things where you’re right she’s lost a couple of fights. The only fight she’s you know, one has been kind of, you know, Fight Night type of caliber. So you’re not going to get the half a million dollars that you might have gotten as a as a champion with points. Yeah,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 31:06
is it problematic? That’s so many fighters have had that same argument of, hey, why am I not getting my pay? I look at john Jones having a similar conversation with the UFC and it’s just been time and time again fighters struggling with their pay. I just wish that the UFC could fix that, but I kind of wonder on Joanna’s case, or your honest case, in particular. What woman do we think is getting her pain at UFC right now? Because outside of Ronda Rousey, I can’t think of anybody who was making like real points on their deal.

Ryan Smith 31:42
My guess is probably Valentina Shevchenko that she would be the only one I my guess is Amanda Nunez is not Yeah. To be a two way champion I but but then again, it comes back to who’s tuning in.

Unknown Speaker 32:05
Yeah.

Ryan Smith 32:11
So so it you know that that’s one of the challenges. And so, when we start looking at who’s tuning in, fighters are trying to get those fights against the fighters that will get the eyeballs so that’s why Dan hooker took the inaugural debut fight with Michael Chandler. So Dan hooker, of course, biting out a city kickboxing. Fighting at a city kickboxing down in New Zealand, he is going to be the person to welcome Michael Chandler to the UFC. And, and so the reason why he took that fight because a lot of people wanted that fight. But his goal, Dan hooker, His goal was to place his bet on the McGregor roulette table. He’s trying to get that next fight against Conor McGregor. It’s not really about the title. It’s about trying to get Conor McGregor. Well, we like to call the red panda night.

John Keyes 33:10
Exactly. Hold on. I think we need to address what lupia light is saying here. Okay. We aren’t saying that we you saying that we’re acting like Yolanda is fighting on the early prelims. She’s been fighting like she’s fighting on the early prelims. Okay, she’s been she’s lost several in a row. That’s what lost her luster, in my opinion, is the fact that she kept losing doesn’t matter to the caliber of fighter that she’s that she’s going up against. If you continue to lose, you continue to lose the luster and Uncle Dana’s eyes.

Ryan Smith 33:45
Well, let’s go through kind of her you know, her few last few fights she lost that that destructive knockout by rose nama Eunice she went for the rematch. She lost a close decision. I arguably think that she won that fight. Then she went and fought Valentina Shevchenko at 125 lost them, five to nothing was was was just a beat down, came back and fought. I think it was Michelle Waterson won that fight and earned the fight against Zang Whaley which, you know, I’m here with with with with with you le pidilite. I think you want to win that fight too. But it was too close to call to be honest. And so I wasn’t mad that Zang Wally ended up being declared the winner. But at the end of the day, when you have that many losses in that shorter time, you’re not going to be commanding the same level of salary and paycheck that you would if you were stringing together 789 wins in a row at as a champion at the top of the division, you know, yes. ulana continues to be that number one, that Uriah Faber style gatekeeper. But at the end of the day, who’s tuning in? Me? I’m like I’m, I’m tuning in.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 35:15
So well stated, sir. Well stated. I support you. So

George Stallworth 35:20
well, I’ll just go back to what Dana right. Dana White referenced earlier or late last year. We need to cut 60 people

Ryan Smith 35:32
were asked that question. No, no, I want to pull that thread I want to pull that thread is Joanna on your list of 60 people,

George Stallworth 35:42
but you cut she’s not on my list. She’s not on my list. But I’m telling the UFC is about to get like, medieval on some of these people and just start, you know, Ginsu knife. Cutting folks, man, it’s hard to get raw out here. For real, just wait 2021 you go. You’re gonna see a lot of people in different venues, they came out of the UFC, we’re gonna have like, all these other venues are getting great, but a lot of these people are gonna be a little salty about the way they get dealt with by the UFC.

Ryan Smith 36:12
Yeah, and let me get this. You know, I’ve been very vocal about my support of Yolanda j chick. I do believe that, you know, J chick is is one of those fighters that gets in the ring and puts it all out there. Even you know, she heard her smack talk game is awful. But she does back it up.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 36:35
Nobody gonna take this belt from nobody

Ryan Smith 36:37
got a ticket a spell from me. I don’t have to drag and drop. It’s not there anymore because they took the belt from her. But but it’s true. She She fights. She is a tough fight. Anybody who fights her not named Valentina Shevchenko is gonna be in for a war. And you know, and you gotta love her for that. You know, don’t like her personality. Don’t you know, whatever it is that you don’t like about you want to jjj you gotta acknowledge the fact that she is a fighter of fighters, fighter, and a fun one to watch. Alright, so

John Keyes 37:11
you didn’t ask your question, though. Is she on the 16th? Yes, she wanted to

Ryan Smith 37:16
know you’d be you’d be you’d be cutting off your nose to spite your face at 115. You want to be a j chick is still one of the best fighters on the roster at 115. You don’t have

Kelechi Onyebuchi 37:28
she gives you barn burners every time like when

George Stallworth 37:33
she’s asking for more money. That’s all No. Look, let me tell with a ti Gz reference. We have a pie. We have a pie. The pie is only so big. And if I give you a bigger piece of the pie, that means there’s not as much pie to go around for everybody else in here. So I got a pie and I got a fee 500 people 60 y’all need to cut. I’m not saying who these are. But some of y’all ain’t getting this pie. And JJ apparently likes cake. So we ain’t even got to have that conversation. Oh, nice.

Ryan Smith 38:13
Oh, there it is. There it is. So speaking of someone who’s getting a bigger piece of the pie, it’s comes that Chimayo you know, remember he was the golden boy of 2020 with setting records of number of fights that he had in a short period of time, you know, knocking out Gerald Meir schardt, you know, with with a single punch took was one punch. And and so it was, it was one of those things where, you know, Dana White is ready to cultivate this fighter and make him a star on the level of, you know, Conor McGregor and john Jones and those kind of guys, you know, and so, he is committed to, to trying to get this fight between hums at shemaiah and Leon Edwards to happen, which keeps, it’s almost like cursed like a Tony Ferguson and Habib in America metal fight, because every time they do it, if somebody gets COVID, or somebody has lung problems or can’t get visas, it’s all kinds of stuff that’s leading to the inability to book this fight. But it’s I feel like it’s a it’s a dangerous fight for the UFC. Because as they’re trying to cultivate someone like hums that Chimayo you really want to build that on the back of Leon Edwards. Like that guy. That guy is legit, for a reason. Yeah,

John Keyes 39:40
but, but you’re acting like it didn’t happen before cuz it happened before. It’s just that the dude was in the back of the back of the arena, and he gave him a two piece and a biscuit.

Ryan Smith 39:51
That was Hey, that was a match. Game a two piece in a biscuit

George Stallworth 39:56
layout plan. What’s his name pronounced? Kmf keema. comes at Chima Maya shemaiah Yeah, I heard he’s not Dana White’s Golden Boy him as much anymore. There’s a rumor that something happened on one of the planes flying him to from somewhere and he’s not as much in Dana White’s good graces anymore I don’t know what I’m just saying that don’t look don’t look at coach g money to start no rumors but the rumor mill Hasn’t

Ryan Smith 40:32
he like he like Miss Benita from in living color?

George Stallworth 40:37
I didn’t want to go. But yeah, you heard it from me, but the room is tight as they used to be last year.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 40:49
We just became the real

George Stallworth 40:50
you guys see? You guys haven’t heard that. It’s been like, I guess you call it a little MMA gossip. passing around.

Ryan Smith 40:59
Yeah, I’m trying to look it up right now. We’re all like, who

Unknown Speaker 41:05
knows.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 41:07
inquiring minds want to know want to know, the thing is like it is still a weird thing that you could be developing both fighters fighters, but instead you have to pit them against each other. And one will inevitably rise while the other one has a long road back to prominence. With to Maya you have that? That problem where people will say that he hasn’t fought anyone of substance yet. Like he’s,

Ryan Smith 41:34
he hasn’t exactly. We tried to build we tried to build the fight against Gerald Meir schardt as as a fight that, you know, was going to be the big test for homes at shemaiah you know, and

John Keyes 41:49
literally ran down and punched him. Okay.

Ryan Smith 41:55
That’s what it was, you know, he walks out and he’s like, become too strong, or become too strong. You know, it’s like, um,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 42:04
you love these drops so much right now.

Ryan Smith 42:07
Wanna Punch Man like it? It works so well. You know? Is my is my very own One Punch Man. But But here’s the thing. Dana White is talking about how he thinks that the UFC rankings are very important. It goes into the matchmaking and all that kind of stuff. And what what the what you know, what the journalists are asking is, if the UFC rankings are so important. How you going to put a number 15 rank? How’s that shemaiah against the number three ranked Lee on it.

John Keyes 42:42
Thank you It’s not

Unknown Speaker 42:48
Oh, okay. It’s

Ryan Smith 42:50
not that important. Like the ladder doesn’t mean anything it is all about it’s all about who can we match up to try to get some some get try to get a fighter uplifted, get some get some attention or create some bad matchups and things like that, which i don’t think i think i think Hamza is suffering from the bad matchup here. But you know, maybe this is payback retribution kinda been aspirin style where they gave him Robbie Lawler and then gave him or him as well

John Keyes 43:28
are you wrong for that?

George Stallworth 43:31
But you kind of tell the truth like how is it that Leon Edwards is ranked number three and he hasn’t fought in two years?

John Keyes 43:39
Because no but it cuz it’s like okay. Leon Edwards is like the black hole of fighting. Okay, it’s not that goes there as the fight goes away for one reason or another, be it an Andrey COVID murder. Car Accident, you know, Baby got born unreason that. But guy

George Stallworth 44:02
that hasn’t fought in two years, ranked number three, especially in that division. That is one of the premier divisions that we’ve filled with talent man, like,

John Keyes 44:13
how is this guy number three in em bought in two years? Because we got to look and see who’s been fighting and see what their rankings are, because I think that the movement that we’re seeing is mostly in the lower ranks, not in the upper echelon in the top five. Dude Tyron Woodley ought to be ranked higher than him. Tyra’s have more fights than him in the last two years.

George Stallworth 44:35
Then

Ryan Smith 44:37
he’s lost.

George Stallworth 44:43
He has not lost the last fight he had was RDJ

John Keyes 44:50
I think so. And he

George Stallworth 44:54
like literally are DJs for like six times in the last year.

Ryan Smith 44:58
So So here’s here’s, I’ll go ahead. Boy, Have

Kelechi Onyebuchi 45:03
you lost your mind because I help you find it.

George Stallworth 45:07
I’m just saying, dude, you can’t be ranked number three, you are literally, dude. Think about it in terms of like the presidency. You got president, you got the Vice President, and then you got the Secretary of State. Then you got the Secretary of State. Right now, Leon Edwards is our Secretary of State. And he ain’t showing up to work in two years.

John Keyes 45:26
Are you saying that he’s on a no fly list? Is that?

George Stallworth 45:29
Oh, no. two seats away from being in the number one spot. And nobody has seen this man in two years. That’s all I’m saying.

Ryan Smith 45:40
I don’t know that it’s actually fair to characterize, is not being there for two years. Because hopfield does on yose. That fight was July 20 2019. Leon Edwards was supposed to fight in like march of 2020. With something happened called COVID. We covered this on the show,

George Stallworth 46:02
do we call COVID? We’ve been here for a year and how many fights have we had? We

Ryan Smith 46:06
covered this on the show? And remember, Leon Edwards was flown from from was asked to fly overnight to the United States to fight in a fight and he’s like, Listen, I simply can’t do that. And then that fight ended up getting canceled, or whatever. And so and so Leon Edwards was supposed to fight in March he didn’t fight then he was supposed to fight later on in the year like August then what happened? He’s supposed to fight someone else and and that fight fell through, then he’s supposed to fight harms that shemaiah that harms that comes down with with with lung issues and things like that. So it’s Leon Edwards has we even criticize Leon Edwards on the show to say, dude, stop looking at the number on the on the on the ladder and actually fight somebody. We had that critique, but at the end of the day, he’s got a fight scheduled, and the fight didn’t happen. And now they finally got it scheduled. It’s against the number 15 A ranked opponent he should blow this dude out the water I don’t know but it’s not been two years. But

George Stallworth 47:19
we in 2021

Ryan Smith 47:21
not January of 2021.

John Keyes 47:26
At Mad Cow what a feather over and Geminis cap. rd is fought twice since that fight, just saying.

George Stallworth 47:44
What do you think about all the other guys that went 70? who are who are in the top 10 ranked in the top 10. And how often have those guys fall? And I get it, you know, we’re in a pandemic, blah, blah, blah. He lives in UK and it’s a little bit more difficult for him to get wherever he needs to be in order to have a fight. But that’s still that means you shouldn’t be ranked number three. There. You can’t show me anything that says this man should be ranked number three at 170 as opposed to anybody else in the top 10. Right now,

Ryan Smith 48:15
I do believe that we could we could show you that.

Unknown Speaker 48:19
Really?

George Stallworth 48:21
Number Four Wonderboy.

Ryan Smith 48:22
I’m pulling it up.

Unknown Speaker 48:30
Pull up.

George Stallworth 48:39
Jeff Neil Chilean, ahead of Jeff Neil. Yes,

he should hit a Wonder Boy right now.

Ryan Smith 48:46
Yes, he should. I was hoping you would tell me to slap myself but try to get that that drop for weeks.

Unknown Speaker 48:58
Hey, Ryan. What? Okay, so, yeah.

Ryan Smith 49:06
Jorge masvidal. Okay, so, Jorge masvidal could possibly be ranked higher than Leon Edwards.

Unknown Speaker 49:14
But no.

Ryan Smith 49:17
No, but Jorge, Jorge fought camara uzman. lost that fight. So you’re not gonna jump people? Oh.

George Stallworth 49:27
Oh, and Leon hadn’t so Leon shouldn’t move because he hadn’t fought. Yes.

Ryan Smith 49:32
No. As Gilbert burns

George Stallworth 49:35
down in the rankings all the time, especially when they don’t have fights and other people are fighting.

John Keyes 49:40
But there’s a difference between inactivity fighting because you don’t want to fight and fighting because and being one ready to fight, but act of God happens.

George Stallworth 49:52
I’m Dana White right now. Now my problem I made. I made 2020

Unknown Speaker 49:58
Oh, man.

John Keyes 50:01
What Wait, what time is it?

Ryan Smith 50:02
It’s a leave it in. Let’s just keep going 57

John Keyes 50:08
Hey, good job.

Ryan Smith 50:10
But but but here’s the thing. Here’s the thing. Once you get past Jorge masvidal Stephen Thompson no should not be ranked higher than Leon Edwards Tyron Woodley definitely should not be ranked higher than Leon Edwards, Damien Maya should not be ranked higher. Michael Kaisa Neil magny de Santi Luke K. You finally get to Jeff Neil at number He currently ranked at number 11 should be ranked number 10. So no, no. Leon Edwards is where he needs to be.

George Stallworth 50:41
I don’t see what you’re seeing. Right. Leon Edwards has not shown me anything to say he is a number three rating guy in that division. He hasn’t fought since 2019. We’ve had other guys on on on the shows who put on great spectacular fights in this past year. And he’s outrank them with inactivity. No, I’m sorry.

Ryan Smith 51:03
I don’t know. I guess we’re at an impasse because the fact is, is that when you start looking at people when was last time Gilbert burns fod. He’s ranked number two he’s fire though.

Unknown Speaker 51:15
Yes,

Ryan Smith 51:16
he is. But his fight his fight that he was supposed to have in 2021 or 2020. It got cancelled. COVID he got COVID. So we’re gonna we’re gonna drop him now because Stephen Thompson beat Jeff Neil. Now Stephen Thompson should be the number

George Stallworth 51:29
one fight it all in 2020?

Ryan Smith 51:31
I don’t know if he did. It was in January.

George Stallworth 51:34
He invited 2020.

Ryan Smith 51:37
When was it?

John Keyes 51:41
Give me a second guys.

Ryan Smith 51:44
JOHN, that’s your role. You have one job not yet.

John Keyes 51:55
I felt that I felt that he didn’t

Ryan Smith 51:57
know I could just click click Gilbert burns his name.

John Keyes 52:00
He fought Tyron Woodley back in May 2020.

Ryan Smith 52:05
He’s fought twice, in 20. Jess, and then mate.

John Keyes 52:12
Both and both times they were performance of the night. I’d tell you to get back.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 52:17
I was gonna say May I ask you to retract that statement?

Ryan Smith 52:20
I take it back. I stand corrected. I stand corrected. You know,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 52:28
now that we fix. Now that we fix the rankings, let’s just go ahead and reiterate the fact that they have literally no bearing on how the UFC runs its operations. 100%

Ryan Smith 52:41
even though Dana White says that it does? No, he they really don’t. They don’t wait for it. He talks about open scoring. How do you guys feel about open scoring? That start off with what is open scoring?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:01
I was just about to say that, like, we’ve got some listeners who aren’t well versed in this and myself. So if you could just go ahead and explain that for us.

Ryan Smith 53:11
Okay, so open scoring is when judges score around, they announced their scores for the to the rest of the audience. So fighters know how they’re doing and where they are, as the fight goes on. And so typically the way it happens in the UFC, and in many in many sports, that the judges are scoring each round. And then at the end of the fight, once the fight is over, they reveal the winner in open scoring, you know, who’s winning the fight all throughout the fight, because they’re, they’re sharing. They’re sharing, who won the previous round before the next round starts.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 53:55
I don’t know what problem this solves.

John Keyes 54:00
I think it creates more problems than it solves anyway.

Ryan Smith 54:03
So y’all agree with Dana White is what you’re saying?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 54:07
that we shouldn’t do.

Ryan Smith 54:09
yet? Dana White as opposed to open scoring. But they were trying it? How dare you?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 54:17
They’re trying by getting me to agree with Dana White. That’s

Ryan Smith 54:21
right.

Unknown Speaker 54:22
Look at me.

John Keyes 54:29
I think that would be more of a problem than a solution. In my opinion. I think it was a it’s a distraction for the fighter number one, because he’s gonna be sitting there with one or two mindsets, either. Oh, God, you know, I’m worried about the score. Or how is it that that judge over there score score, you know, scored me like that. What vehicle is he riding in? I’m gonna I’m gonna mess it up after the fight, things of that nature. Which is why I’m driving my cheapest vehicle on Saturday to the to the fights because I may not work correctly, so I’ll just go with the wrong vehicle anyway. Um, yeah, I don’t think there’s nothing good that comes of this, leave it, keep it quiet, let them fight.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 55:19
I think it affects the outcome of the fight too much. There’s, I think that second scenario would happen far too often where, let’s say, in the second round, you thought you did enough to win the round and you didn’t like it affects the way that you come out. In the third round, like, for some you come out hot, but for others, like we’ve seen time and time again, when a fighter thinks that they want to fight, and then they have to come in for another round. I’m thinking Anderson Silva, when I forget who it was he knocked out, but then he’s gonna come back and fight and he loses. He comes back. And Michael is like, yeah, yeah. So it’s just, there’s not a lot of upside that comes from it, or as we as the crowd start booing because we think that the refs got it wrong. Just, I can’t like it’s easy to imagine the scenarios where this goes terribly wrong. I’m struggling to come up with a scenario in which this enhances the viewing experience, but I was wrong about the whole silent crowd. So

Ryan Smith 56:20
what I think I think the advantage to open scoring and the the pert and this is, I let me let me start by saying, I am opposed to open scoring as well. But I’m taking the position of defending open scoring. So do not judge me for taking the position of defending open scoring. I think that the reason why open scoring is, you know, attractive, is because you get to know how you did in the round on the judges scorecards. So therefore, at the end of round one, if I look up, and I did not win, then I know I didn’t win a close round. That means I come out in the second round, to even the score. Yes, late, we always jumped too late in the fight whenever it’s two to two to two to nothing. And it’s a three round fight. And I can’t wait, I have to knock you out. In order to win, I got to finish this fight. But round number one, if I find out that I’m, it’s 10. Nine, and it’s and I got the nine, then I know I have to come out in the second round. And when that next round, that that intensifies that, that you know, the fight. And it also gives the crowd an idea of what’s going on with with the judges. A lot of times will will disagree with the judges and you’ll get the booing. But there’s times when we when we agree with the judges. And so therefore, knowing how the fight is going, and then seeing the action is something that I think will enhance the fight as well. Coach, you’ve been on this. Okay.

George Stallworth 57:59
I really don’t know how I feel about it, man, part of me wants to say yeah, for the sake of the fans, for the sake of fighters and teams, that open scoring would be helpful. But I also know how it could it could have just the the adverse effect as well. I think Dana’s wide, right in that.

Ryan Smith 58:20
Yeah, so lepidolite is is is is really, you know, talking about that last, that last use case of if you know, you want two rounds, you’re just gonna you know, coast or lay and pray for that third round. What we know is that is a high probability thing that happens before open scoring. fighters who were up two points one the final round 73% of the time, that failed to 62% in open scoring. So the fighter up to Oh, will give away that last round, in an effort not to lose, so we know that that happens. But what happened in round two, so I guess the question that I’m that I’m asking, because if if I found out that it was 10 nine at the end of round one, and I fought my tail off in round two, and it’s still 10 nine for them. I’m not winning the fight anyway. Are you gonna win the fight, it’s gonna be a flash knockout, I gotta finish you, I gotta do something. And so that’s what should empower you as a fighter. If you know you’re down to two zero in a three round fight, you should be head hunting, you should be chasing this dude around putting yourself in dangerous situations on the hope that you might get that finish we’ve seen it happen

George Stallworth 59:38
which also changes the dynamic for the guy who’s trying to lay him break. Cuz now I got a kid head hunting me cuz he knew. He knows he needs a knockout. You see, I’m saying it does affect the way both fighters gonna fight because now I can’t just lay a break because I got this guy charging me or I got this guy who’s putting pressure on me all of a sudden. So I’ve got to deal with this problem. Now. Change the dynamic of the fight.

Ryan Smith 1:00:02
So I think that what you have to do is you can’t have open scoring in by itself. You need to have rules on timidity. You need to have, perhaps your pride rules with your yellow cars and things like that. So that you’re, if you’re going to lay and pray, knowing that you’re up to to nothing, then you could start losing points in this last round, and ended up turning. What would have been an easy, unanimous decision to withdraw.

George Stallworth 1:00:34
Oh, you mean an opportunity for somebody to what’s the word step outside of our regular scoring system, kind of like, you know, anybody referenced our combat sports scoring system?

Ryan Smith 1:00:46
Well, you know, it’s funny, you bring it up. But, you know, that’s all something that we have been doing though, is, is looking at how do we score fights better. And so we do have the combat sports talk MMA scoring methodology that’s on our website. And we’re, and you know, George, I promised you that I was going to upload the other one, and I haven’t done it yet. So my bad, but we also have now one for Muay Thai. So if you want to see how we score Muay Thai fights, or how we plan on scoring Muay Thai fights, then you should definitely check out our website starting tomorrow. Tuesday,

George Stallworth 1:01:25
like lean the lean back, you got it? Starting tomorrow.

Ryan Smith 1:01:32
All right. All right. Let’s go ahead and start and start moving moving ahead. I think that was a good discussion, though. Open scoring is still fairly controversial. And I don’t think that we can just I don’t think we can just change the way we score bytes and make it visible without other changes to ensure that fighters can stay engaged. Dana White also said that he is determined to book another Hobbesian American metal fight. They’re going to be meeting in Abu Dhabi in the upcoming weeks and he said he’s going to press him as hard as he can. For one more of course, what he really wants is his His Habib to fight. Perhaps Conor one more time, or have Habib fight. Another fighter named George St. Pierre George. George got George St. Pierre got elected to the UFC Hall of Fame in May of 2020. And you know, we’ve watched all the videos we’ve seen him still training still staying in shape. He says he doesn’t want to fight. But if you can get Habib in America metal for one last fight against many people’s greatest of all time, then perhaps it’s something that’ll get the you know, rush out of out of the the, you know, the Canadian snowdrifts and into the octagon one more time. So here’s the question which I want to see that fight. Is that a fight? Y’all want to see?

John Keyes 1:03:06
Yeah, that’s why he wouldn’t want to see that.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:03:12
Because as much as he’s been trained as much as George St. Pierre has been training, there’s still ring Ross, no matter how you look at it, and it’s not gonna be this amazing fight that we’re thinking mind you GSP became a point fighter like, I don’t think that his style is automatically going to adapt to what we’ve seen is the new UFC, which is requiring fighters to be fast starters who really pushed the pace the whole time. Yes. GSP has a gas tank. But he hasn’t been in the octagon and forever and he doesn’t stand a chance against hubby.

Ryan Smith 1:03:53
There it is. I’ll move on. Want to know why we’re talking about retired fighters fighting other retired fighters? I hear you.

Speaking about money, fights, pay per view UFC 257 happening on January 23. And the price is going up from 6499 to 6999. Lord have mercy

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:04:25
Do they not know we’re in a pandemic and people are struggling financially,

John Keyes 1:04:29
so COVID check in covering that. Okay, I’m sorry. I need that check.

Ryan Smith 1:04:37
Well, Dana White was announced the UFC and oh, wow, man. Well, you know, only the peasants gets it gets a check.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:48
But to be ordered by

Ryan Smith 1:04:52
let’s just reveal he live in higher on the hog than we are. Um, but uh, but Someone responded to Dana White when they announced the 6999 price that they can’t wait to pirate, you know, the the next pay per view. And Dana White had a cryptic message for him. Basically, he’s like, Listen, I got a surprise for you in 2021. I can’t wait to

Unknown Speaker 1:05:21
nothing,

Unknown Speaker 1:05:23
you know?

George Stallworth 1:05:26
Well, you know, that makes sense. Because of the fact that we don’t have, you know, a crowd anymore. Dana White’s, you know, his cash cow now is absolutely pay per view. And so it makes sense that they were starting to crack down on that, and try to find ways to go ahead and ensure the integrity of their pay per view.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:48
There’s always going to be a workaround.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:50
They’ve,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:05:51
I mean, as long as it’s illegal to stream it for from john. I mean, who is that?

John Keyes 1:05:57
Yeah. I’m not gonna say any names. I’m not gonna say anything like that. But you got some hardcore people out there. In the land of the, the white hats and black hats that live to break things like this. You tell them they can’t? They will. Okay. If you tell them that they won’t. They’ll do it twice over and tell their friends how they did it. So I guess the, the gloves are trapped across the cross the ball here the Dana, and said Challenge accepted. So there it is.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:06:37
It’s an intriguing marketing strategy, right? Like, are we going for a premium customer? Are we going for a broader customer base at $74? That’s in the $70 range. And knowing that people can no longer go to bars in general, to watch this. And people are having to watch it at home, you could see a slight uptick. But how many more events are people going to go to or watch and purchase this year versus last? When the prices go up? I think it makes more sense that you’ve got a captive audience still, it makes more sense to drop prices and make it more affordable to expand your base. Rather than keeping it as a premium. Knowing that, yeah, you’ll take your first uptake. I’m getting more choosy about the fights that I watch, because I miss watching. Like it’s cool watching fights at home. But it’s not the same as being able to go out to whatever sports bar and watch it with a gang of folks, right? Like, it just takes away from the experience for me. So I’m getting more just tight with my purse, and I got a wonder if there’s other people out there thinking like, man, why am I paying so much for a decent card?

Ryan Smith 1:07:46
I just want to stop right there and acknowledge the fact that he acknowledges that he has a purse.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:55
I do.

Ryan Smith 1:07:58
I just Are you gonna put the word man in front of it?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:08:11
Every fighter has a purse.

John Keyes 1:08:15
It would make more sense to drop the price than the race because by raising the price, you’re saying, oh, only a certain few people should be able to indulge in the UFC. I would drop it down to a price of some wings and some french fries from wingstop and just let it go. Alright, you get my disagreement. You got to me, Jordan.

George Stallworth 1:08:38
More what’s the word? diametrically opposed. No. The UFC just had a banner year when it came to pay per view. Absolutely raise the price. You’re a hot commodity right now you are the hot girl at the dance. And everybody wants to dance with you. How many pay per views did all of you buy last year?

Ryan Smith 1:08:58
I bought damn near every one of them.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:09:02
To I’ll say I bought every one of them. Class. Not I’m not one of these people who self incriminating. I’m simply saying Yeah, no, no, I don’t watch every fight. I just read the recap. Sometimes. It’s like Ryan, tell me what happened? Because it’s a lot of money to invest in a mediocre card.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:28
Exactly. But well, there

George Stallworth 1:09:29
were a lot of cards last year they were mediocre.

Ryan Smith 1:09:33
Yeah, they didn’t have big. They had they didn’t have big names. But they they I mean there were some barn burners. You know and and and and the thing is this is that I agree with George on this topic is what we found is that the willingness to pay is much higher. So we go back to our economics class. And what we see is that you know, the the willingness to pay For a pay per view, is clearly higher than 6499. Because what happened is once we got the captive audience, everybody started buying these things. And to George’s point, there’s probably room for room for growth. Yeah, you’re gonna get people who when it gets to 6999, they’re not going to pay for the next one. You got a year’s worth of pay per views, and people are gonna pay or 1699 which, once you get to some of these other ones, and you know that they’re gonna pay 6999 for Conor freakin McGregor. Yeah, come out of the loop. I mean, they pay for that one, the whole nation of Ireland is gonna buy this pay per view. right then and there. You got 4 million views? Yeah,

John Keyes 1:10:45
yeah. So,

Ryan Smith 1:10:46
so. So yes, this is the time where you raise the price, you see where you get the drop off, and then you don’t raise the price anymore? Or,

John Keyes 1:10:59
hey, I’m just saying, Yeah, I could partner up with wingstop. For 2999, you get the pay per view. And like 20 piece, wings, boneless a bone in whatever four flavors, you want to hook yourself up with a large fries, and a

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:11:16
drink, I would buy that package like that bundling. Makes sense. It helps small business, small business, it helps businesses, it drives my, my desire to view the sport, versus like you’re telling me I’m already paying a premium. But you want me to pay more for the exact same product?

Ryan Smith 1:11:37
Yes, because most people will look at and go it’s $5 more, I don’t want to pay $5 more, but I will pay $5 more because I want to see, I want to see this event. And so I want to see Bella tour. Yeah, and, and, and all you need think about it like this. All you need is for a large group of people to pay five more dollars one time, and you’ve already padded a couple of other pay per views down the road. So it’s economically it’s the right decision for that from a business perspective. Or collecti. Who wants the the wing combo? He was admitted you still wouldn’t watch the fight.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:23
I mean, I wouldn’t eat the wings.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:12:29
All right. So real talk like I would I would prefer a dynamic pricing model where I would pay a premium for the Conor fight like tack on that extra five. I won’t pay an extra $5 to have you on AdWords

John Keyes 1:12:43
headline. Let’s see there goes to prompt them because then fighters are gonna say well wait a minute. How come this guy pay? Why come? I got I got you know, downgrading where Connor got upgraded. What’s up with that? And then feelings are gonna get hurt. Okay, and I already told you,

George Stallworth 1:13:01
um, cake not pie.

John Keyes 1:13:06
Just saying yeah, you go that route where you start, we start scaling the price, and fighters feelings are gonna start getting hurt. And then Bella tour and Scott Coker are gonna be looking pretty high on the horse then. Yes. And then you get the Bella tour combo, where you get the pay per view. And the two large two topping pizza from Domino’s. For the price of you know 3499

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:13:38
bro, welcome to marketing like cuz I’m buying all of these bundles. Still not buying right? But I’m buying these bundles.

John Keyes 1:13:45
Hey, don’t wait. Don’t let it be pfml and 711. Cuz then you get the 711 pizza. The wings.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:13:52
Oh, I’ll get that Slurpee.

John Keyes 1:14:02
And we talked about the 64 ounces of Slurpee. That’s right. 32

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:14:08
you know where you can start to feel the diabetes just slowly rising up in you?

John Keyes 1:14:12
Oh, yeah. No, man. All right. No, that’s that’s how I went down with me for anyway.

Ryan Smith 1:14:20
Alright, let’s let’s go ahead and move on. Um, you know, I’m currently I’m currently looking at Jorge masvidal. On Twitter. Right there. You see me talking trash. Yeah, look at that. Look at that right

George Stallworth 1:14:37
there. I thought he was deleting his Twitter.

Ryan Smith 1:14:39
Yes, that is the story or him hospital said that he is deleting his Twitter since the President that he supported throughout this election cycle has recently been banned on every social media and Shopify and Spotify. platform how you

John Keyes 1:14:58
how you get banned from Twitter.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:15:02
My favorite was Pinterest. How do you get

Unknown Speaker 1:15:07
my man can’t even

John Keyes 1:15:10
make a drawing. Okay? He can’t by No. I mean, the only thing he’s way is he’s got an Amazon account right? Can he still go on Amazon?

Ryan Smith 1:15:21
I think he can buy on Amazon but he can’t. Because I think parlor got taken off of Amazon.

John Keyes 1:15:28
Yep, not gonna take it off of I store at the iTunes Store off a Google Play. It’s pretty much their back

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:15:35
end was Amazon. Yeah, it was their back end. And that’s been Oh,

John Keyes 1:15:40
yeah, they shut down the server. Yeah. So so the next Yeah.

Ryan Smith 1:15:44
Yeah. So So Jorge masvidal is basically saying, I am I, I.

We felt like we gotta get you got it. Look, we got to figure out a time to get le pidilite on the show, actually on the show.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:16:04
That’s great. April to this show.

Ryan Smith 1:16:06
He cannot leave Amazon reviews.

John Keyes 1:16:10
Right. Oh, man. He has become he’s become the fifth member. He’s become the unknown Beto. There you go. There he is.

Ryan Smith 1:16:17
So so. So Jorge masvidal. is is is getting off Twitter. I’m gonna causes me to follow Jorge masvidal. Now, because I’m on that day, because I want that day when he comes back and tweet something. And then I’d be like, wait, I thought you laugh. I thought you would, oh.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:16:38
He says, I’m getting off of Twitter then tweets retweets to things like

John Keyes 1:16:47
Oh, man.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:16:50
The thing I don’t love about Jorge is not that it’s the political side. But it’s, it’s he’s become everything that he said he didn’t like and fighters and like, he just wanted somebody who’s real to the streets, and he’s like, I’m never gonna forget my people. And he’s just gonna be humble and whatnot. And now

Unknown Speaker 1:17:09
it’s a weird

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:17:11
position because I don’t see much separation between where he is and where Colby is. And like there was supposed to be diametrically opposed and polar opposites. And yet, not just on the political stance, but like literally just making poor marketing moves.

John Keyes 1:17:27
Well, there’s that Jorge’s move. Okay, there’s that and you know what? I know here I go being political. I said I was gonna do it today but you don’t have to. Okay, there I’ll say like that the Cubans and Trump that’s not that’s not fair going on there man a right

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:17:48
the views expressed expressed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of culture and up to your subsidiary cup podcasts

Ryan Smith 1:17:55
or or Ryan Smith. Just saying like, this is john keys and his own opinions. These are john keys his opinions

Unknown Speaker 1:18:06
teases

John Keyes 1:18:13
Well, thank you George. For not for not running on my dog.

George Stallworth 1:18:17
Back over here, look, I’m like anybody messing with john. Hey, come see me to see

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:18:24
the way my career is set up. Yeah.

John Keyes 1:18:28
Right like you think my career a setup like that?

Ryan Smith 1:18:35
I’m with glitchy on this one. Like, distance myself from that one.

John Keyes 1:18:41
I’ll just say that to you. Ryan, I had the screen right Ryan pretty deep to see who is who’s got friended on his Facebook Sokka sit there make a real hard choice like, do I or don’t I? Because if I if it just takes one glance, and people don’t know. They don’t know how I really care about things.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:19:03
So wait, the real question is on the Jorge mastodon leaving Twitter. It seems like yes, show solidarity with whoever you want to. But if you’re trying to fight this year, and the way that the UFC is set up, is it’s all about building hype. And most of the hype happens from Twitter beefs. Aren’t you just kneecapping your ability to market yourself?

John Keyes 1:19:32
There’s still Instagram. Remember which, which, but

Ryan Smith 1:19:37
he’s which is crazy to me though, because Instagram banned Trump to so to Facebook, so did every single platform so if you’re gonna show some solidarity, why is it just Twitter and why isn’t it just like I’m getting off social media. Come at me in Miami Dade. That’s where I’m gonna be

George Stallworth 1:19:57
sending Twitter was Twitter was in use on a regular basis. So I mean, it does make sense that you know, folks are focused on Twitter. You know, I can’t think of anything I’ve ever heard on Instagram in reference to Donald Trump.

John Keyes 1:20:16
That’s true. I got a lot of one videos though. We forgot about that. One is awesome.

Ryan Smith 1:20:24
All right. So I just wanted to I just wanted to go ahead and put that out there. Let’s go ahead and jump to what’s happening this weekend on the fight card.

This is the fight card. This will be talking about the fights that are happening this weekend. We are back in Abu Dhabi FC hot arena and on fight Island in Abu Dhabi for UFC fight Island seven hollaway vs. cater, Saturday, January 16 2021. We got five fights on the card. Who the hell is Soriano versus dusko to door Vic? You got it again? Hey, les Soriano

just like the way I say that is it Hey,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:21:25
I might need to exit the show.

John Keyes 1:21:30
Up here Yeah, that’s kind of creepy man. I need fossa

Ryan Smith 1:21:36
Alessio is it Cheerio versus Joaquin Buckley? Santiago ponza nibio vs lead Jean Lang. You got the immortal one Matt Brown versus the natural born killer Carlos Condit. And in the main event of the evening, Max Holloway versus Calvin cater, what makes this special this card special is that it is going to be live on ABC. So this is the UFC making that crossover from from ESPN plus and these premium services to national broadcast television.

John Keyes 1:22:12
I hope they are ready to see this because I mean they could have picked a group of fighters that possibly couldn’t have been as bloody as what they’re about seeing that co main event, that main event. There’s gonna be a lot of blood. Make no mistake, Matt Brown versus Carlos Condit. That’s a bloody fight. Okay, those are two old school warriors.

Ryan Smith 1:22:36
It’s a retirement fight as I understand it, is that Yeah, Carlos Condit and Matt Brown. I think they’re both looking to fight their last fights. And I think Matt Brandon already retired and was coming out of retirement to fight Carlos Condit

John Keyes 1:22:52
so not not done, Carla.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:22:59
What’s up Matt Brown, retired because of his knee injury, right. It wasn’t that he was fighting. It’s just he literally couldn’t for a couple years and that was like a de facto retirement.

John Keyes 1:23:12
So think about how brutal that fight is going to be. If they’re gonna if this is their retirement fi. They’re going to leave everything on everything in that rink. So bloodbath, and then Max Holloway. He’s a bleeder. Okay, you punch him hard long enough. He’s gonna start bleeding. Okay, he’s getting sort of like the Diaz brothers on that. And then as we looking at Santiago Ponzi nibio vs. Li Liang Lang. We know Li j Lang cakes are kicks dirty, okay. He’ll kick them in an arts Okay, in a heartbeat.

Ryan Smith 1:23:47
It’s true. It’s true. He is a dirty fighter.

George Stallworth 1:23:53
Your boy Zach. Queen Buckley likes to take people’s hands off with the soul of his foot. So

John Keyes 1:24:00
they pick the right one to get banned for life. Okay. from mainstream media. They have picked the right one so we’ll see how this goes down. But I hope they put like a disclaimer like there’s gonna be blood on here. Have Mickey Mouse come in tonight, and you know, let it go down like

Ryan Smith 1:24:21
I gotta get that one that’s got to be a

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:24:30
part of me is just imagining the fighters doing. Hi, my name is Calvin cater. You’re watching the Disney Channel.

John Keyes 1:24:39
Exactly. Yes, please. Yeah, yeah. Have Tinkerbell rolling around the heads and everything like that. Because you know, Tinkerbell really was about that life. Y’all do know that she was a fighter. So you know, she’d be 199

Ryan Smith 1:24:52
and one.

John Keyes 1:24:56
I think she was Yeah, okay.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:25:00
The fact that this is on ABC like I’m a big fan like, I’ve always been more of like let’s let’s normalize UFC and put it put it out there for the average Joe to engage with this content and be able to see how they feel about the sport. Instead of having this paywall in here through pay per view and getting through ESPN and ESPN plus, right, so this is this is really good for the sport. But these things usually come with a really good commercial contract and TV contract. So tell me why they’ve got the big money that just came in from ESPN. They they’ve got this distributed distribution opportunity with ABC, but you want to take more money out of my pocket for me to pay for the same exact

Ryan Smith 1:25:44
fight card? Because it’s all the same. It’s all

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:25:50
the same company. Yeah, it’s all the same company on the ESPN so they got that ESP and money, right?

John Keyes 1:25:57
Uh huh.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:58
So why do you need this?

John Keyes 1:26:00
So they tried to flip it in other words, that’s what they’re doing they flipping it

Ryan Smith 1:26:04
flip mode, so

John Keyes 1:26:08
yes, it is okay. And they just flipping it. They got the money. They got they they stacked a cash. And now they flipping it over so they can get more nasty. This in the game is a feeder, they’re giving it out. They’re like, don’t take this taste right. Quick. You know, we’ll see you out there. Yeah,

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:26:28
I’m keeping I’m keeping that same energy from from 2020 in that I’ll have to do an after the show or bring it up at another time. But the sheer economics of this don’t make sense to me when you’ve got the big deal that just came through. You’re charging fans more but you still have fighters who aren’t getting their pay. There’s a disconnect for me that can only you saw with unions.

John Keyes 1:26:50
Oh, there it is. Thank you. I’m not a water guys.

Ryan Smith 1:26:57
Alright, so let’s go ahead and make our flash fight picks. Anybody go the betting against Joaquin Buckley? Just. I’m looking up. I’m looking at the kirikos you’re going to get lucky by betting against them. Okay. All right. Because that’s your coat. He’s got on a three fight losing streak. That come is whipped him. Kevin Holland whipped him Oh. Got it.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:27:30
I’ve said what I said what I said.

John Keyes 1:27:32
There you go. Same energy, same energy.

Ryan Smith 1:27:35
There it is, right. JOHN Key’s George Stallworth. You guys gonna go against Buckley?

John Keyes 1:27:43
Yep, we’re gonna go we’re gonna take a buckler. All right.

Ryan Smith 1:27:47
All right. You got Santiago? Santiago Ponton. Abo vs. g Li Jang Lang. Now Santiago de paz Libya when we talk about want to talk smack about Leon Edwards. Santiago. ponza. nibio ain’t fought. Like, dude, he hadn’t fought since the last election.

John Keyes 1:28:08
Oh, are you serious?

Ryan Smith 1:28:10
No, no, no, that’s it. That’s an exaggeration. That is hyperbole. It’s hyperbole.

John Keyes 1:28:15
To say I think he’s fought since the Argentine dagger has fought since

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:28:21
I’m taking ponza nibio in this fight, though, real talk. He’s just been really consistently good.

Ryan Smith 1:28:30
Yeah, his last fight was in 2018.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:28:34
He was really consistently.

Ryan Smith 1:28:41
So So Casey is taking a Kwanza nibio. I’m gonna go with Li Jing Lang. I’m gonna stick with him. George Stallworth, who you got

George Stallworth 1:28:54
dangling.

Ryan Smith 1:28:55
There it is. donkeys.

John Keyes 1:29:00
I’m going with ponza nibio.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:02
Right. All right.

John Keyes 1:29:03
He’s on a 123456 he’s on a seven fight win streak.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:09
Yes. 1823 go.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:29:15
I’m on a winning streak from high school. I used to be able to throw that football across those mountains.

Ryan Smith 1:29:19
So there you go. Alright, the immortal one versus the natural born killer. This is going to be a good fight. Let’s start with you, George, who you got

George Stallworth 1:29:32
on with the model Matt Brown on this one, man. I think he catches this by elbow.

Ryan Smith 1:29:39
All right, Kelechi Onyebuchi.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:29:42
I really believe that based on the two fighters that we’ve got engaged in this, this this match that Father time is going to be the real winner.

Ryan Smith 1:29:54
So in other words, what I’m gonna need you to do is I’m gonna need you to try to touch your shoulders. To your headphones, and then lower your shoulders. Now Now raise your

eyebrows. All right. All right. That’s a good bit.

John Keyes 1:30:20
O How’s it going? I like that one. That was pretty good. That was pretty good.

Ryan Smith 1:30:28
All right, cool. Keys to victory. What do you got?

John Keyes 1:30:30
Man? Look at Carlos Condit striking versus matte brown. matte brown is just totally a more easily. He’s got agression, that view that that Carlos Condit will not be able to match. It’s gonna be matte brown.

Ryan Smith 1:30:47
Okay, I am picking Carlos Condit.

Unknown Speaker 1:30:51
I’m gonna be

Ryan Smith 1:30:54
paying that. CRO for you guys next week. Yeah,

George Stallworth 1:31:00
he’s just he’s just paying attention to the eyes. That’s all he’s doing. Don’t let him fool you.

Ryan Smith 1:31:05
I was I was about to pick first out of pick. Carlos Condit.

George Stallworth 1:31:09
You still paying attention to the odd so I have Carlos is the winner on this fight. Right. Thank you. Carlos is the winner. Right? You think is a favorite most of the time?

Ryan Smith 1:31:21
I don’t know that to be true. Let me be honest. A main event of the evening. Max Holloway versus Calvin cater. Let me pick first.

George Stallworth 1:31:35
Yes, sure. Rolling.

Ryan Smith 1:31:38
All right. I’m picking whoever y’all ain’t

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:31:44
gonna say.

Ryan Smith 1:31:48
No, no, seriously. Um, you know, at one time I was on the Calvin cater hype train so I’m gonna I’m gonna go with Calvin.

John Keyes 1:31:58
There you go. Interesting.

Ryan Smith 1:31:59
And what you would say you

John Keyes 1:32:03
are going with Max Holloway. I think he is a he’s got something to prove.

Ryan Smith 1:32:09
Alright, coleccion Casey Onyebuchi.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:32:12
I have no prediction on this one. Oh,

yeah.

For me to call

Ryan Smith 1:32:20
lost a sense of smell.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:32:23
The seasonal allergies. George Clooney Ricky Bobby

Ryan Smith 1:32:30
Stover

George Stallworth 1:32:32
MH Max Holloway on this one laser.

Ryan Smith 1:32:36
Blast. All right. There you have it. Those are our picks for UFC fight Island seven. Now let’s talk about it one more time. We are not going to be watching this fight. Because we are going to be busy watching Muay Thai fighting taking place at lamb striking Academy.

John Keyes 1:32:55
Oh. Yeah. What time does it start?

George Stallworth 1:33:01
first flight should go on at 11. I need you guys there by 10am.

Ryan Smith 1:33:05
Alright, so we’ll start we’ll start. You know, at the very least we’ll be streaming from our phones. I don’t know what I I don’t know what space we have. Do. I need to bring my entire mobile rig and set up and everything?

George Stallworth 1:33:21
I know I spoke with will and he liked for us to podcast from the venue. But I told him the likelihood of that and being able to judge and do any of them effectively. Zero. Yeah, I think we should stay focused. But at the same time, I do see an opportunity for us to maybe to pick up some interviews and things like that. So we may want to bring that or I don’t know, man, I

Ryan Smith 1:33:45
can. I’ve got I’ve got a lot of equipment. So I’ll bring something that’s more mobile. I’ll record on my phone, maybe I can bring some some wireless mics and stuff like that. And we can we can look into something. So there you go. We are going to be judging Muay Thai. I think it’s gonna be funny to come back next week and talk about our experiences. Because, you know, it’s one of those things where we’ve been working really hard to get the methodology together to watch fights and get acclimated. But once we’re in there with the real action, I’m excited to see how well the methodology works. So you’ll see it on Tuesday. It’s

John Keyes 1:34:26
gonna be fun. It’s gonna be fun. And just like Murphy said, and Murphy’s laws of combat, no plan ever survives initial content.

Ryan Smith 1:34:37
There you have it. Follow us on social media on Instagram. I’m at combat sports talk. JOHN,

John Keyes 1:34:45
I’ll make keys to victory glitchy.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:34:49
On Instagram,

Ryan Smith 1:34:50
I am at push, pull, pray, but you were obfuscated?

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:34:55
I am obfuscated and I am also a bunch of things.

Ryan Smith 1:35:01
And George jiwani stalwart

George Stallworth 1:35:04
Darkside underscore muy Thai underscore.

Ryan Smith 1:35:08
All right. You can find us on our website at www dot combat sports talk.com and we are on all of your favorite podcasting platforms.

John Keyes 1:35:17
Unlike Donald Trump,

Unknown Speaker 1:35:18
oh

John Keyes 1:35:22
wait, man, is he a burn? Oh no. He could be on Periscope. I just realized that he wasn’t banned from Periscope.

Kelechi Onyebuchi 1:35:31
He’s banned from Twitter he’s banned from periscope is the same.

Ryan Smith 1:35:37
Shout out to MMA junkie MMA fighting MMA mania, bloody elbow and the intelligent defense discussion group. All the other sites that are helping provide the stories that we use on our show. And on behalf of George g money Star Wars cholesky Casey own Yay, Buchi and john keys. My name is Ryan Smith, reminding you to keep your hands up, your chin tucked and throw bombs. We’ll catch you next time.

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